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    Hello,
    I’m fairly new to having a leopard gecko I got my baby girl charmander back in March. She’s very active and eats normally however my friend (who has two Leo’s) said her arms looked weird. Upon comparing her to my friends I thought maybe it was a size difference her arms jsut looked bulkier. Recently though I noticed it was looking weirder and weirder to me so I dig deeper and found out she most likely have Metabolic Bone Disease. I’m not sure exactly when she got it since I got her from petco and I’ve been trying to reverse it. It only seems to be affecting her front arms and maybe her toes and nails? She walks and runs and hunts normally her appetite is fine and I’m giving her crickets and mealworms alternating because she prefers worms but crickets are higher in calcium. I sprinkle with calcium and leave it in her tank but she doesn’t seem interested in the dish at all. I just started Gut loading crickets as well. I’m not sure what else to do and I’m worried her legs won’t heal! I included a pic of her current condition. [ATTACH=CONFIG]46576
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    Welcome aboard! MBD develops gradually over time. When caught early on, it can be reversed!

    Please share a video of Charmander walking about. That way we may be able to tell what's going on. About how old is she?

    How have you been supplementing with powdered supplements since you got her? Calcium needs vitamin D3 in order to be metabolized. Please list exact supplements, brand names, and frequency you use them.

    What diet are you feeding the crickets?
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logany776 View Post
    Hello,
    Iím fairly new to having a leopard gecko I got my baby girl charmander back in March. Sheís very active and eats normally however my friend (who has two Leoís) said her arms looked weird. Upon comparing her to my friends I thought maybe it was a size difference her arms jsut looked bulkier. Recently though I noticed it was looking weirder and weirder to me so I dig deeper and found out she most likely have Metabolic Bone Disease. Iím not sure exactly when she got it since I got her from petco and Iíve been trying to reverse it. It only seems to be affecting her front arms and maybe her toes and nails? She walks and runs and hunts normally her appetite is fine and Iím giving her crickets and mealworms alternating because she prefers worms but crickets are higher in calcium. I sprinkle with calcium and leave it in her tank but she doesnít seem interested in the dish at all. I just started Gut loading crickets as well. Iím not sure what else to do and Iím worried her legs wonít heal! I included a pic of her current condition. [ATTACH=CONFIG]46576
    Post a picture of her tank as well. Making sure she has the appropriate temperature range is just as important. If you give calcium, D3, multivitamins to an under heated reptile, it will likely NOT be able to absorb it.

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    It’s a bookshelf I found a breeder on YouTube who makes them. She has two heating pads on the right side where her hide is. The temperature is 95-98 with digital thermometer to the touch and the cool side is about 75-80 depending on how the weather is outside (my room is not well insulated that’s why I got her two heating pads) she typically lays between the two under her trex or under her leaves. I use to have her in a glass tank should I move her back? I want to try anything to help her condition.

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    I just started gut loading my crickets I’ve been giving them fluckers high calcium cricket diet mix. I also dust them with repashy (same for the mealworms) And the calcium I leave in her tank is reptocal. I can’t figure out how to get a video to upload from my phone but when I do I’ll post it!

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    Thatís the video link I figured it out. Sheís always this active. Also I got her in March and Iím not sure her age Iíll post a picture of her size Iím assuming she counts have been very old she was very very tiny. I didnít notice a change in her legs until about a month ago but I havenít changed anything for her really except feeding her larger portions as she grows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logany776 View Post
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    It’s a bookshelf I found a breeder on YouTube who makes them. She has two heating pads on the right side where her hide is. The temperature is 95-98 with digital thermometer to the touch and the cool side is about 75-80 depending on how the weather is outside (my room is not well insulated that’s why I got her two heating pads) she typically lays between the two under her trex or under her leaves. I use to have her in a glass tank should I move her back? I want to try anything to help her condition.
    How long is this bookshelf? Where are the vents? How are you measuring the temps(type of thermometer)?

    Is there a reason why you are using 2 different brands of supplements? I would remove all from the cage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logany776 View Post
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    It’s a bookshelf I found a breeder on YouTube who makes them. She has two heating pads on the right side where her hide is. The temperature is 95-98 with digital thermometer to the touch and the cool side is about 75-80 depending on how the weather is outside (my room is not well insulated that’s why I got her two heating pads) she typically lays between the two under her trex or under her leaves. I use to have her in a glass tank should I move her back? I want to try anything to help her condition.
    Quote Originally Posted by Logany776 View Post
    I just started gut loading my crickets I’ve been giving them fluckers high calcium cricket diet mix. I also dust them with repashy (same for the mealworms) And the calcium I leave in her tank is reptocal. I can’t figure out how to get a video to upload from my phone but when I do I’ll post it!
    Many thanks for quickly sharing this information. Charmander has MBD. Her front legs and wrists are bowed. This is quite visible in her gait.

    Is 95-98 F the ground temperature underneath her warm dry hide? If so, her warm end is too hot. Please get a digital thermostat to control temperature. I use Hydrofarm's Jump Start thermostat.

    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C):
    • 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) ground temperature right underneath a leo's warm dry hide
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

    Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7.
    Flukers High Calcium Cricket Food does not really have high calcium at all. Use ProGutload diet by Professional Reptiles to feed her crickets and mealworms instead.

    Tetrafauna's ReptoCal -- is also a multivitamin, but a poor one. It contains more than calcium + vitamin D3.

    Please get her on this supplement schedule, preferably with these exact supplements. Even though she may be older than 12 months, this schedule will probably work best. Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 contains considerably more D3 than Repashy's Calcium Plus does per dose. I think Zoo Med's products will be better for her.

    Weekly Schedule 124 for Leopard Geckos 0-12 months old
    (without UVB)

    Crickets or dubia >> Monday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3
    Mealworms >> Tuesday
    Crickets or dubia >> Wednesday - lightly dusted with pure precipitated calcium carbonate (Zoo Med's Repti Calcium or NOW human brand calcium) without D3
    Crickets or dubia >> Thursday
    Crickets or dubia >> Friday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med ReptiVite multivitamins without D3
    Mealworms >> Saturday
    No food or free choice >> Sunday

    Future weeks:
    Continue on since all weeks are identical. . . . . .
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 01-05-2019 at 04:33 AM. Reason: typo
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Thank you all for the advice I found an animal hospital about 30 minutes from my area that said they would treat her and so I’m taking her there Wednesday! I’ll let you guys know how it goes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logany776 View Post
    Thank you all for the advice I found an animal hospital about 30 minutes from my area that said they would treat her and so I’m taking her there Wednesday! I’ll let you guys know how it goes
    You're welcome. That's good.

    Can you still order a thermostat and reply to our questions about enclosure size and all?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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