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    Hi, my name is Douglas and I'm a newbie here and decided to create an account in this forum to follow up the growth and health of my leopard gecko. To get a little in context, I got Klimt in early August of last year (I have him for about 6 months now) at a local pet store. The sellers couldn't tell me exactly how old the gecko was when I got him tho. In fact, I just called the pet store to find out if anyone else could give me some information about the possible age of the gecko nest they had on that date, and the guy told me they were one year old, something definitely illogical considering the size that Klimt had at that time, was about 3 inches. Anyway, the first days, Klimt behaved like a small energetic leo, climbing the rocks of his terrarium, going out to eat his mealworms (he ate around 5 or 6 every night) and he was kinda active. But in the last weeks (since the end of December) his physical activity has decreased and he spend most of the time hiding in his cave. He has stopped eating/hunting so the only way I can make him eat a couple of mealworms is if I give them directly using tweezers (and he only eats about 2 or 3, but only one other day).

    Is this decrease in his appetite normal according to his age? I have also noticed (from some videos and photos on the web) that something could be wrong with his growth. Some sites say that the leos reach the adult size at 8 months, and others indicate that they reach it from 18 to 24 months of age. Honestly I am confused since this is my first gecko and in my country (El Salvador) there are not many specialists in exotic animals to whom I can consult. His tail doesn't look very thin tho, but I don't know if it has the indicated appearance that indicates that he's healthy.

    I added a couple of photos that I took today in the morning, and if you see his skin kinda pale it's because he just begun his shedding process. Please I need your help because I'm worrying that Klimt's health is not in optimal conditions. Thank you very much in advance.

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    Hi doughism,

    Has he has the tail kink from day one?
    Can you post a picture of his enclosure?
    What do you feed him?
    What do you feed his insects?
    Do you use supplements?

    This will help guide you the right way. I just want to add a stunted adult can look young. I took one in that looked like a young gecko, but was told by the past owner he was indeed 3
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    what are your temps? he could be cold, also petstores sometimes don't feed their pets as well as they should so he could of been hungry, also, considering he is only 3 inches he is probably about 4 months old so he probably would be eating only about 3 mealworms each night. he looks very healthy to me. hope this helps!

    ( by the way he is a beutiful leopard gecko and is very lucky to have you as his owner )
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    Welcome to Geckos Unlimited, Douglas and Klimt!

    What is your leo's total length? Leos reach maximum size at about 18 months old. If you can sex Klimt, your leo is at least 6 months old.

    Sexing Leopard Geckos -- Leopard geckos become sexable at about 6 months old. Males can be distinguished from females by a distinct /\-shaped row of pores above the vent and by two hemipenal bulges below the vent. To see their vents, potential male pores, and hemipenal bulges gently press their bodies up against the glass. They'll squirm if you try to turn them over.
    Have Klimt's enclosure temps been cooler than normal since December's end? That would reduce his appetite.

    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C):
    • 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) ground temperature right underneath a leo's warm dry hide
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

    Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7. At night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).
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    Hi everyone! Thank you SO much for your replies!

    Yes, I forgot to mention that that little kink at the end of his tail appeared a few days after his last skin shed. I think the skin was stuck on the tip of the tail and even tho I tried to remove it with water baths, I couldn't. Is it dangerous, or should I expect it to fall off with the new skin shed?

    Since I have him I've fed him only with mealworms. I feed them with wheat bran and small slices of potatoes. Also from time to time I put calcium powder in the container.

    The temps of his enclosure are of 29-30 C during the day and 26-28 C during the night. I don't have a heat mat, since the area where I live is quite hot and the tempts are room temperature.

    I also forgot to mention that Klimt's current length is around 5.5 inches, which means that there has been little growth in these six months.

    Here's some photos of his enclosure. It's an Exo Terra terrarium of 12 x 12 x 12 inches. The substrate is coconut fiber. It has two hiding places: One cold (the largest, which contains a base to put coconut fiber which I wet every two days), and the other at room temperature. It has a container for water and another for food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughism View Post
    Hi everyone! Thank you SO much for your replies!

    Yes, I forgot to mention that that little kink at the end of his tail appeared a few days after his last skin shed. I think the skin was stuck on the tip of the tail and even tho I tried to remove it with water baths, I couldn't. Is it dangerous, or should I expect it to fall off with the new skin shed?

    Since I have him I've fed him only with mealworms. I feed them with wheat bran and small slices of potatoes. Also from time to time I put calcium powder in the container.

    The temps of his enclosure are of 29-30 C during the day and 26-28 C during the night. I don't have a heat mat, since the area where I live is quite hot and the tempts are room temperature.

    I also forgot to mention that Klimt's current length is around 5.5 inches, which means that there has been little growth in these six months.

    Here's some photos of his enclosure. It's an Exo Terra terrarium of 12 x 12 x 12 inches. The substrate is coconut fiber. It has two hiding places: One cold (the largest, which contains a base to put coconut fiber which I wet every two days), and the other at room temperature. It has a container for water and another for food.

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    I’ll begin by telling you your Leo looks a bit malnourished. I suspect it’s related to diet and temperatures, but I can’t be sure it’s nothing more. The enclosure is too small for an adequate temperature gradient. I recommend purchasing an enclosure of a minimum of 30 inches long. An undertank heater and thermostat is very important for your Leo’s digestion. Eco earth is not a good substrate due to the risk of impaction. Slate tiles work great and highly recommended. It is also important to feed variety of insects and feed the insects more nutritious food. You can find recommendations here: http://www.geckosunlimited.com/commu...tml#post302242

    You will need calcium with D3(without UVB)such as zoo med and a multivitamin such as Reptivite without D3.

    Is that a UVB bulb on top? If so do you use it? What type bulb is it?

    Do you see constricted shed on the tail?
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    The temps of his enclosure are of 29-30 C during the day and 26-28 C during the night. I don't have a heat mat, since the area where I live is quite hot and the tempts are room temperatur

    I also forgot to mention that Klimt's current length is around 5.5 inches, which means that there has been little growth in these six months.
    Hi Douglas ~

    We have many ideas to help Klimt out. Leo keepers do live in warm countries like Brazil and Vietnam, for example.

    You mention that Klimt has grown from 3 inches to 5.5 inches in the last 6 months. His body proportions look good! An average leo is roughly 9 inches long at about 18 months old.

    Please post a video with your leo walking around, so we can check out his gait.

    May I ask about your English? Do you depend upon Google translations? Just reply by the numbers.

    There are many improvements that need to be made for Klimt's health.
    1. Can you see undigested mealworms in Klimt's feces?
    2. The warm end is a couple degrees Celsius too low for a leo to properly digest his food. He needs ground temperatures like this: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C).
    3. What brand of calcium?
    4. Does the calcium powder contain other things like vitamin D3?
    5. What kind of help can you get from the pet store?
    6. It is impossible to provide a warm end and a "cool" end inside Klimt's 12 x 12 inch home.
    7. There is scarcely any room for him to move around.
    8. Can you get a much larger enclosure right away? (In the USA many people start off with a 10 gallon enclosure. Even that enclosure only measures 20 x 10 x 12 inches tall.)
    9. Klimit is ready for a much bigger home. The best next step is a 20 gallon long: 30 x 12 x 12 inches tall.
    10. Like this home:
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      30 x 12.5 x 12.5 inch home
      (76.2 x 31.75 x 31.75 cm)
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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