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    Quote Originally Posted by Liveloveleos View Post
    Hello, thanks for the welcome,
    Unfortunately, I have made a very big mistake regarding the dusting of supplements. I have been using calci-dust (Vetark) every day, aside from one day a week where I have been using Nutrobal (also by Vetark) - After reading some feeding / dusting schedules for juveniles online, I now realise I have been under-doing the supplements. I have had my local reptile shop order in some calci-dust with D3 which I will pick up on Wednesday, I also now know I need to use the Nutrobal more, I was being overly cautious before, after reading some about Leo’s overdosing on the D3. Am I right here?
    To answer your questions;
    Her heat mat covers over half of her 34” inch wooden Vivarium. And I keep her humid hide in the warm end.
    I feel terrible, so sick, that I have made this mistake. I am now wondering, lack of multivitamin and D3 cause her to not gain weight? I am still a bit unsure of certain aspects of Leopard Geckos, as she is my first, having only had a bearded dragon as reptiles until now.
    Thank you very much in advance,
    Alex

    P.s. I am not sure on how to add images to a reply, could you maybe help me out and tell me how I can do so?
    I have a young leopard gecko, about 6 months old, who I brought home on the 1st of December 2018.
    Alex ~ Your current schedule needs a little adjusting.

    Nutrobal is an excellent all-in-one multivitamin. It contains vitamin D3 plus generous amounts of pure calcium carbonate per dose. That's a good thing. No other reptile multivitamin contains that much pure calcium.

    For 77 click: Gecko Multivitamins

    Vitamin D3 is fat soluble. It sticks around in a leo's body and acts with plain calcium throughout the week. Vitamin D3 is not flushed from the body whenever a leo urinates like water soluble vitamins are. Vitamin D3 (as contained in Nutrobal) is necessary lightly dusted @ only 1 feeding per week.

    Too frequent use of supplements can be harmful.

    Many leos have done well when their keepers have followed this schedule. Schedules 125 and 126 show how the schedule changes as your leo grows.

    Here's the schedule I highly recommend for your ~6 month old leo. Soon she may be interested in cutting back to 3-4 feedings per week. Keep the supplement schedule the same.

    Weekly Schedule 124 for Leopard Geckos 0-12 months old
    (without UVB)
    Adapted for your 6 mo leo using the following supplements

    • Crickets or dubia >> Monday - lightly dusted with VetArk's Nutrobal (all-in-one) multivitamins
    • Mealworms >> Tuesday
    • Crickets or dubia >> Wednesday - lightly dusted with VetArk's plain calci dust (pure precipitated calcium carbonate without D3)
    • Crickets or dubia >> Thursday
    • Crickets or dubia >> Friday - lightly dusted with VetArk's plain calci dust (pure precipitated calcium carbonate without D3)
    • Mealworms >> Saturday
    • No food or free choice >> Sunday
    Please ask if you have any questions. (It's a zoo out there!)
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 03-16-2019 at 06:53 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    P.s. I am not sure on how to add images to a reply, could you maybe help me out and tell me how I can do so?
    Try these tips.

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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Hi, thank you very much. I have attached one picture of her tail to the main part of this post, I hope you can see it, there. Thank you for the feeding/dusting schedule you have given me, I will start this one. I just wish there was an obvious reason for her small size and lack of weight gain - which I wish could be rectified. Unfortunately, at this point I am losing faith.
    Alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liveloveleos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liveloveleos View Post
    Hi, thank you very much. I have attached one picture of her tail to the main part of this post, I hope you can see it, there. Thank you for the feeding/dusting schedule you have given me, I will start this one. I just wish there was an obvious reason for her small size and lack of weight gain - which I wish could be rectified. Unfortunately, at this point I am losing faith.
    Alex
    You're welcome, Alex. Even when the first crypto test came back negative, there's a chance she may still have it. Could she be retested? Some vets can swab her vent as an office procedure.

    Feed her what she loves the most! Well-fed dubia and crickets are great.

    Her tail is quite thin. Please share a current image of this entire leo. You say she was 11 grams at the vet.

    Until recently when you began following the schedule I recommend, your leo was receiving too much Calci Dust. By sticking with the new schedule, your leo may absorb more vitamins and calcium.

    Hilde says: "Excess calcium in the digestive tract can hinder absorption of vitamins A and D."
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 03-18-2019 at 02:21 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    It could be worms, parasites, a disease, etc which is causing the gecko to not gain weight though it eats.

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    Hi, I’ve had her tested on full parasitology, all came back negative parasite, worms - though, I’m thinking it could be crypto at this point, could’ve been missed in the test. Thanks, Alex

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    Hi, again,
    I will definitely have Jude retested for Crypto, as I honestly still am leaning toward that being a possibility in this situation. I just cannot understand how she won’t gain any weight.
    Now, another issue has arisen - She has stuck shedding on her feet. I have been having to pretty much “force” her into her humid hide, during her recent shed, she leaves it a few minutes afterward. Thankfully, she did spend enough time in there to successfully shed her body, tail - it’s pretty stuck on her feet. I have been using the q-tip method, and have managed to get most of it off her back feet.
    I have attached a full body picture of her in the main part of this post, along with a close-up of some of her stuck shed, I really hope I manage to get it off, I’d hate to think she ends up losing toes! Also, I have attached an image of her on the day I first viewed her in the pet store. Her tail, along with the other geckos in the tank, was still rather thin at this point. After doing some research I don’t beleive she was two months old. Her spots were all separated and I now know that juveniles have “bands” rather than separated spots at that age - I also beleive the other gecko was younger than her as their spots were still rather joined together.
    I have spent quite some time today researching more about Crypto and now truly beleive this is the cause. She has had diarreah, and also has regurgitated a while back, several times. She is getting thinner and thinner and I’m just so devastated to watch her deteriorate like this.
    I don’t know what else I can possibly do, if it is crypto. I’m now preparing for the worst - I am just so sad for her. In the mean time, I will keep offering her the dubias, crickets and will stick to your dusting schedule, along with persevering with the shed on her feet, which I hope will come off soon.
    Thank you for all of your advice here, it is very, very much appreciated and you are being a great help.
    Alex
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    I wish there was more that I could do.

    Is Jude's humid hide on the warm end?

    To remove stuck toe shed place Jude in a perforated plastic container for ventilation. Place that container over her heat mat for several hours to increase relative humidity. Then try removing the shed with a dry q-tip/cotton bud.

    Combine that tip with one of these methods.


    For 21 click: Cryptosporidiosis: disinfecting, Mail Order test, + links
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 03-18-2019 at 04:02 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    You need help from an experienced reptile vet-

    Many sick geckos will have more than one underlying problem

    In particular, bacterial infection is very common and will require antibiotics.

    https://azeah.com/lizards/cryptosporidiosis
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    Hi again,
    Yes, Jude’s humid hide is located on the warm side of her viv and is sprayed with a spray bottle throughout the day. My vet opens in 5 minutes and I will be asking for the soonest appointment he has. She still hasn’t eaten anything, which is very unusual for her. Hoping the shed method will work, which I am preparing to do soon. She is actually in the exact same spot/ position as she was last night, when I last checked on her.
    As with the other persons response stated here, I will definitely be ruling out other possibilities, aside from cryptosporidium, which as you know I was leaning toward. I am hoping my vet will do the swab of her vent, that you mentioned earlier.
    I do not want to be sounding pessimistic but I fear at this point she does not have long left - but I will see what the vet says, his thoughts and his recommendations. My current thoughts are; have the swab done, possibly another full parasitology, along with a full faecal screening to rule out, or single out possible causes. .
    I will update again shortly.
    Thank you very much,
    Alex
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