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    Hello, before I get into my questions I want to preface this with the fact that I am a first time owner and have only had my juvenile leopard gecko Cinnamon for 3 months this week, and also with the fact that I have anxiety and tend to overthink and catastophize, so I may be worrying over something simple. Please bare with me.

    Now, to little Cinnamon. Tonight (less than a half hour ago, actually) I noticed a behavior that I've never observed in her before. Her head twitched slightly twice, then one of her legs twitched. It wasn't very severe or anything, but it was noticeable enough to worry me. I looked online to see if anyone else has seen this and got lots of articles about metabolic bone disease. However I do believe she's getting her vitamins because all her food is dusted with calcium with d3 as well as a reptile multivitamin, and she also has a calcium dish in her enclosure that she licks at. As I type this she is moving around completely normally. My big question is: Should I be worried about this behavior? Is this twitching normal or because I scared her? Or is it a sign of something worse? I really just want to know my little baby is okay

    EDIT: I forgot to mention that I was very close to her tank and bumped the glass, so she might have just been scared.
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    Please share the supplements you use: brand, name, and frequency.

    Do you know how old Cinnamon is? What is her total length?

    Please share a full body image of her.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Please share the supplements you use: brand, name, and frequency.

    Do you know how old Cinnamon is? What is her total length?

    Please share a full body image of her.
    I use Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3 as well as Zoo Med's Reptivite with D3. I feed her every other day. I'm not sure her exact age, but she was about 5 inches when I last measured her 2 weeks ago. 20190318_201611.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by clavicusvile View Post
    I use Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3 as well as Zoo Med's Reptivite with D3. I feed her every other day. I'm not sure her exact age, but she was about 5 inches when I last measured her 2 weeks ago. 20190318_201611.jpg
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    Cinnamon is probably within the 0-12 month old range.

    I recommend using a small pinch of a D3 containing supplement at ONLY 1 feeding per week. That's because D3 is fat soluble and sticks around for a week in a leo's body to work with plain calcium.

    Can you purchase Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins without D3 and Zoo Med's Repti Calcium without D3? The Reptile Supply Company based in Northern California carries them. Maybe Amazon does too.

    Maybe Cinnamon is getting too much vitamin D3? Try this schedule instead. See whether that helps.

    Just supplement and feed M, W, F, & Sat.

    Weekly Schedule 124 for Leopard Geckos 0-12 months old
    (without UVB)

    • Crickets or dubia >> Monday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
    • Mealworms >> Tuesday
    • Crickets or dubia >> Wednesday - lightly dusted with pure precipitated calcium carbonate without D3 (Zoo Med's Repti Calcium or NOW human brand calcium)
    • Crickets or dubia >> Thursday
    • Crickets or dubia >> Friday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins without D3
    • Mealworms >> Saturday
    • No food or free choice >> Sunday
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    I will definitely try that! Thanks so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clavicusvile View Post
    I will definitely try that! Thanks so much.
    You're welcome.

    Please keep GU in the loop.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    she also has a calcium dish in her enclosure that she licks at
    Strongly consider removing the calcium dish from Cinnamon's enclosure.

    Hilde says: "Excess calcium in the digestive tract can hinder absorption of vitamins A and D."

    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by clavicusvile View Post
    I use Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3 as well as Zoo Med's Reptivite with D3. I feed her every other day. I'm not sure her exact age, but she was about 5 inches when I last measured her 2 weeks ago. 20190318_201611.jpg
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    Is the substrate vinyl? I’ve read about toxic chemicals being released when heated, so to be on the safe side it may be wise to use slate or ceramic tiles instead. A lot of conflicting information out there as far as plastic, I say better safe than sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sg612 View Post
    Is the substrate vinyl? I’ve read about toxic chemicals being released when heated, so to be on the safe side it may be wise to use slate or ceramic tiles instead. A lot of conflicting information out there as far as plastic, I say better safe than sorry.
    Even when the vinyl is loose -- when it does not have a sticky adhesive backing?

    I've heard about toxic chemical release from VOCs IF there is any adhesive backing.
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Even when the vinyl is loose -- when it does not have a sticky adhesive backing?

    I've heard about toxic chemical release from VOCs IF there is any adhesive backing.
    Yes, vinyl in itself. Try googling, you will find a few articles for sure. Hereís 2:

    https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=280&tid=51

    https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...l-chloride.pdf
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