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    I'm worried about my leo. She has some history, poor thing. She's around 2 1/2 or so, we not sure of her exact age due to the fact she has been passed from person to person a few times. My daughter ended up with her and had her almost 2yrs. Almost a year ago they got her a tank mate. Another Leo who has greatly surpassed her in size. Almost two weeks ago my daughter gave Squirt, the older leo to my husband and I because she wasn't doing very well. She lost a lot of weight, she had a problem with her eyes, and she wasn't shedding properly. The first week we had her the only thing my husband permitted me to do was feed her (which had to be done by hand by the second day she was here because she can't open her eyes). Her health stagnated, it didn't get better but it didn't get worse. Then my husband left on a business trip. I was able to spend more time with Squirt. I noticed that the problem with her one eye was that she had not shed properly on her face either. I spent hours researching very good reliable websites and found out how to help her get the skin carefully and safely off her eyes. Since then, she still keeps her eyes closed ALL THE TIME. She was still active but her eating dropped dramatically. I had only been able to get her to eat a few WAX worms. She refused meal worms and there was no way I could get her to eat crickets. So, I made her a Vet appt which is a full hr and a half away but it's the nearest exotic Vet. I only include this cuz distance traveled is important history. Ok, so the Vet diagnosed her with: MILD MOUTH ROT, ANOREXIA, SHED PROBLEM. He gave me carnivore formula which I am to feed her by syringe 3x a day. Weigh her daily to make sure she's gaining weight. Give her 5-10 min soaking bath every 12 hrs to try to get skin off toes. Use paperclip to force her mouth open to clean the rot with saline soaked q-tip (I don't need to force her mouth open for that, she opens her mouth for the q-tip so she can bite it) every 12 hrs. Use saline soaked q-tips to clean her eyes (he said they're just crusted shut from dehydration???) every 12 hrs.
    Ok, we got back from the Vet late Thursday. So I started Thurs night (1 feeding, 1 bath, etc.) and then yesterday. By yesterday afternoon her behavior totally changed. She's not active at all. She still won't open her eyes. By last feeding last night she had diarrhea and she seems almost lethargic. I don't know if I mixed her formula to thin or if she's getting stressed from too much handling. I'm really worried about her. She's normally sweetest, spunky leo you'd ever meet. Did the Vet give me sound advice or does anyone have better advice???

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    There could be a lot of reasons for her problems, but my first thought is a shortage of Vitamin A, which can cause all those problems you listed. It can be caused by not supplementing at all, or too much calcium, which hinders absorption of Vit A.
    Do you use supplements? Is there just beta-carotene, or actual pre-formed Vitamin A?
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    They fed her no supplements at all. They really weren't well versed in leo. My daughter's boyfriend was "watching" her for some 14yr old kid. He got his info from the kid. My daughter inherited Squirt by association, who got her info from her boyfriend. The tank they had her in had "fine" sand in one end that they also used for their snake. The other end was proper gecko carpet. The only thing they ever fed her was meal worms. She has been fine the past 2yrs though. That's why they gave her to me. They figured I would nurse her back to good health and give her a great life. But, I'm at a loss, she just seems to keep going down hill.

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    For the past year she has had a tank mate (until we got her). They have what I believe might be a "Giant Mack Snow Rainwater Albino". They got her as a baby and I think might be looking to get rid of her now too.

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    It's not uncommon for geckos to act more or less OK even when they are mildly to moderately ill. Sometimes it's not clear that there's a severe problem until the gecko is in pretty bad shape and then they go downhill pretty fast. I'm not a vet but the advice rings true to me. It's possible that the gecko has just started to show how sick she is. I'd recommend following the vet's advice and please try not to feel too bad if the gecko doesn't make it. If the other gecko has similarly received no supplements and you have any influence, I'd recommend getting the current owners to use something like Repashy Calcium Plus to dust feeders.

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    What does it look like when they throw up? Where question I know but my husband finally got her to actually eat a meal worm before I force fed her the formula. There was also a worm running loose in the tank. She was acting very strange with a very tiny piece of meal worm hanging out of her mouth, shaking her head like she was mad. She sure wouldn't let me have that worm though. Today is the first time she's eaten any solids at all in almost a week so I'm hopeful and jumping for joy!!!

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    Thanks for the the advice. Squirt passed away sometime in the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillysmom View Post
    Thanks for the the advice. Squirt passed away sometime in the night.
    I'm sorry too Philly's mom, . . . . . .

    Rest in paradise, Squirt. Catch all the crickets your heart desires to fill you up and take away those problems you had on earth.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

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