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    Hi all,

    Iím brand new here and also a first time leopard gecko owner. I adopted my friendís daughterís adult leopard gecko (heís about 1.5 years old she said). I've not been able to find a poop in the tank.

    Iíve had him a little over two weeks. Let him be a few days before having much interaction with him to allow him to adjust. I did make a couple changes to his tank after that though. He's currently obsessed with the new half log hide i put in on the cool side of the tank.

    She was only feeding him mealworms once a week. I changed him to twice a week feedings and added in crickets (he loved them!). Last feed was adult crickets this past Thursday. He probably ate about 7 of them. I gut-load his feed and also dust them with a 1:1 of Rep-Cal multivitamin and calcium with bit D3 powders. Heís also got a small dish of pure 100% calcium in the tank along with a water dish. I mainly feed him directly with feeder tongs, so Iím not super concerned about substrate impaction.

    I have a UTH with a thermostat set around 91-93 degrees. Humidity is at 60. Heís still in her original set-up. Mainly reptile carpet. Heís got four hides (three on the tank floor and one is a raised hide that he climbs up to). Close to the UTH is a tree hide with loose coconut fiber with sphagnum moss on top of that (Iíve changed out the moss just for cleaningís sake and looking for poop because she said he usually pooped in the tree hide that had the moss in it).

    I tried giving him a warm bath this morning as i thought his hemipenes looked a bit swollen (belly is flat thankfully and he's been eating just fine. The bath didnít last long as I donít think I started the water off warm enough - used my temp gun and it said it was good. I also put a small dab of some EVOO on his nose that he licked up.

    Am I overthinking this? Does he need more time to adjust? Iím just at a loss for why I havenít found a poop. My main guess is just stress from the move and new owner changing tank around a little (i took out a log i felt was too big and added the extra hide on the cool side and the raised one).

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    A warm welcome to Geckos Unlimited. You've covered most the bases!

    He could be pooping right now!

    Does your leo's belly feel hard or soft? 86*F is a good temp for the soaking water. That's a leo's preferred body temperature. A drop of EVOO on the nose is good too.

    Where do you keep the thermostat's probe? Are you monitoring the thermostat's setting with the probe of a separate digital thermometer (like the yellow Zoo Med's digital thermometer)? I recommend setting your thermostat @ 91*F.

    1. How often are you dusting the prey with a 1:1 mixture of Herptivite and D3 calcium?
    2. Are you using Rep-Cal's D3 calcium?
    3. Please share a video of your leo walking about.
    4. Even though it's common practice "on the internet" to leave plain calcium in the enclosure for free access, excessive calcium hinders the absorption of other vitamins and minerals. For that reason, lightly dusting the prey at a couple feedings per week is much better.
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    Hi Elizabeth,

    Thank you so much for your reply! I don't recall his belly feeling hard when I held him earlier today. The thermostat for the UTH is under the reptile carpet over the top of where the UTH is. I have his UTH plugged in to a Century Digital Heat Mat Thermostat Controller. I do not have a separate digital thermometer, but I do have an infrared temp gun.

    I'm concerned as when I just used my infrared thermometer, his warm area only reads mid to high 70's. I have his tank elevated off the dresser with little feet all around the tank as to not burn out the UTH. I went ahead and turned on his red lamp (it's 50 watt). It's not sitting directly on top of the screen, but is at an angle to not be as direct/hot, but hopefully add some warmth to the warm area.

    1. So far I have dusted at every feed (i've fed him three times since I got him two weeks ago). The first week I had him I kept with the once a week feeding as she had been doing. That feeding I only dusted with the calcium with D3. This past week I dusted with both at each feeding. The second feeding last Monday he got mealworms. The third feeding on Thursday he got crickets.

    2. Yes, I am using the Rep-Cal multivitamin and the Rep-Cal calcium with D3. I also recently purchased Repashy calcium plus, but haven't used it.

    3. I'll get that as soon as I can. I afraid that he's a bit frightened of me at the moment because of the bath this morning and he's shoved himself all the way into the back of the cool hide. However, if you think it's worth pulling him out of the hide for the video, I'm happy to do so!

    4. I just took the small dish of calcium out. I've been doing the shake method in a baggie for coating, the stuff I'm currently using coats pretty well, but I wouldn't say it's overly-powdered.

    I got him a whole new front-opening terrarium and UTH. Just waiting for the substrate to be delivered. After much research I decided to try out Lugarti natural reptile bedding.

    I want so badly to make sure I'm caring for him the best possible! I'm so scared of him dropping his tail or losing him and having to tell my friend.

    I'm a bit nervous as I'll be heading out of state this Thursday and will be gone until Tuesday evening (my husband will be home though to keep an eye on him and his water/heat).
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    Hi Elizabeth,

    Thank you so much for your reply! I don't recall his belly feeling hard when I held him earlier today. The thermostat for the UTH is under the reptile carpet over the top of where the UTH is. I have his UTH plugged in to a Century Digital Heat Mat Thermostat Controller. I do not have a separate digital thermometer, but I do have an infrared temp gun.
    You're most welcome!

    Place the thermostat's probe on top of the reptile carpet and underneath the warm dry hide. That's the temp your leo feels when he lays there.

    I like digital thermometers better.

    I'm concerned as when I just used my infrared thermometer, his warm area only reads mid to high 70's. I have his tank elevated off the dresser with little feet all around the tank as to not burn out the UTH.
    Your leo needs proper temps in order to digest his prey. Maybe that's why he hasn't pooped. UTHs need ventilation to function properly. Please see temperature chart below.


    1. So far I have dusted at every feed (i've fed him three times since I got him two weeks ago). The first week I had him I kept with the once a week feeding as she had been doing. That feeding I only dusted with the calcium with D3. This past week I dusted with both at each feeding. The second feeding last Monday he got mealworms. The third feeding on Thursday he got crickets.
    Variety is excellent.

    After you share a video, I'll share a supplement schedule.


    2. Yes, I am using the Rep-Cal multivitamin and the Rep-Cal calcium with D3. I also recently purchased Repashy calcium plus, but haven't used it.
    When your Rep-Cal products expire, I'd switch to Zoo Med's supplements.

    3. I'll get that as soon as I can. I afraid that he's a bit frightened of me at the moment because of the bath this morning and he's shoved himself all the way into the back of the cool hide. However, if you think it's worth pulling him out of the hide for the video, I'm happy to do so!

    4. I just took the small dish of calcium out. I've been doing the shake method in a baggie for coating, the stuff I'm currently using coats pretty well, but I wouldn't say it's overly-powdered.
    Excellent move! I place supplement powder in a tall deli container -- add bugs or worms -- and then gently swirl them.


    I want so badly to make sure I'm caring for him the best possible! I'm a bit nervous as I'll be heading out of state this Thursday and will be gone until Tuesday evening (my husband will be home though to keep an eye on him and his water/heat).


    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C):
    • Warm end ground temperature: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) inside a leo's warm dry hide and his moist hide too!
    • Cool end ground temperature: 70ish-75 F (21.1-23.9 C) Usually the cool end ground temperature matches the room temperature where the enclosure sits.
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

    Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7. If you wish, during the night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    I got him a whole new front-opening terrarium and UTH. Just waiting for the substrate to be delivered. After much research I decided to try out Lugarti natural reptile bedding.
    PS:
    What size is your enclosure?

    What dimensions is the UTH?
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 08-19-2019 at 02:18 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    I can’t believe I didn’t think about that with the UTH thermometer! Ugh! I fixed it and it’s on top now and the heat has already gone up. I also decided it was in his best interest to re-arrange the hides to be better suited to the temps. He’s probably like “What the heck, mom?!”
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    Also, I have an exo terra medium low 24”x18”x12” and a ReptiTherm 10-20 gallon UTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindseyBree View Post
    Also, I have an exo terra medium low 24”x18”x12” and a ReptiTherm 10-20 gallon UTH
    That particular heat mat is much too small. I suggest an UTH that's half the footprint of the ground.

    An Ultratherm 11 x 17 inch UTH will be ideal. That still allows an ample cool end. Place the 17 inch length along the 18 inch width. (Measure the side underneath to see exactly how wide your Exo Terra is.) Will it be possible to scoot the edges of the mat underneath the black frame of the Exo Terra? Ultratherms are reusable! My friend uses them all the time. She's never had one fail.

    Reptile Basics and Amazon carries them.
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Thanks again so much for all of your help! I haven’t opened the ReptiTherm UTH and still have the receipt, so I’ll return it and get a larger one for his new tank.

    I don’t have exact measurements for his current set-up that he came with, but I was thinking his current UTH was too small for his current tank he’s in, and after your response I’m pretty sure it is now. If I were to get the Ultratherm before I leave, I could put it on his current tank, and then move it over to his new one once I transfer him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LindseyBree View Post
    Thanks again so much for all of your help! I haven’t opened the ReptiTherm UTH and still have the receipt, so I’ll return it and get a larger one for his new tank.

    I don’t have exact measurements for his current set-up that he came with, but I was thinking his current UTH was too small for his current tank he’s in, and after your response I’m pretty sure it is now. If I were to get the Ultratherm before I leave, I could put it on his current tank, and then move it over to his new one once I transfer him.
    You're welcome.

    Yes, you can! The Bean Farm based in Washington state also carries Ultratherms.

    Get some Nashua electrical tape from someplace like Home Depot. Make tape rolls all over to secure the Ultratherm in place. You may wish to place some strips over the top.

    ***Ultratherms*** (high quality) are reusable. Snugly attach the heat mat underneath the glass enclosure with electrically safe Nashua tape around the edges and with tape rolls in the middle. When you purchase supplies directly from Amazon, you'll be able to return even electrical products if they do not meet your gecko's needs. Amazon Prime also provides free return shipping. Reptile Basics (336-308-5767) ----> 11 x 11 Ultratherms = $20, 11 x 17 Ultratherms = $22. The Bean Farm (877-708-5882) sells Ultratherm UTHs in 11 different sizes.

    Using Insulation Underneath the Heat Pad......Keith -- April 2018
    "I suggest that an Ultratherm UTH is a must. The Ultratherm needs foam insulation under it, directing the heat upward and into the enclosure. From what I understand, other brands call for air under the UTH, which just allows heat to be lost! The fact that the Ultratherms should have foam insulation under them rather than air also says volumes about their safety. I only know this because I’m still setting up my Vivarium as well."
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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