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    Question 5 yr old female Leo eating her tail.


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    UPDATE -- Here it has been 6 days since Papaya ate the skin off of her lower tail killing it along with chomping her upper tail leaving gaping wounds. This morning while holding her by her tail taut she dropped it! Yea! Before everyone gets upset, yes to intentionally have her drop her tail is not the best thing, but since she was building sepsis and starting to lose all of her tail, (for me on disability pay) it was better for her to drop the tail and all the infection that was with it. She has a better chance of surviving this than a round of liquid antibiotics that may/may not work. She is back to eating 0.2-0.4cc chicken baby food twice a day. I still offer insects, but she turns away. On the right track I think. Elizabeth thanks for your guidance.

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    After running a reptile rescue for 15 yrs this is something new to me. My Leo, Papaya, is 5 yrs old.

    All the sudden this week she begins to bite at her tail tip and has removed normal skin from the lower 2 inches baring the tail. I cleaned and covered with Silvedine. It has shriveled and hardened. Since, she has continued to chomp on the upper part of the tail leaving large ripping bite marks. Again, cleaned and covered with Silvedine.

    She is definitely going to lose the lower part of her tail. Are you able to give me guidance on the other bites besides see her vet? I no longer have the rescue and am on disability retirement.

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    The end of Papaya's tail looks skinnier than a leo's tail normally is. It sounds as if there was an incomplete shed. Shed may have be retained around the tail's end and restricted blood to that area. Possibly Papaya wants that end gone.

    Is your Silvadene current?

    Try applying coconut oil from a health foods store. Recently I purchased a 14 ounce container of Nutiva coconut oil. At normal room temps it is a solid white. It is a superfood! It's "supposed to" have medicinal value.

    I have a 20ish gram gecko (not a leopard gecko) with sometimes open tail wounds resulting from difficult sheds. This had been going on 6 months. (Yes, I know -- way too long!) Every time this gecko shed, the tail wounds would reopen and become susceptible to infection. Nearly two months ago I bought some coconut oil. I applied it liberally to these wounds. The last shed was great! Those wounds seem to be healing.
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    Not a shed problem as I have to help her shed every time because she chokes and gags trying to swallow the shed; it is an all day thing. Wrap in a warm washcloth and reheat often. Check the toes, eyelids, tail tip, nose, chin; give a warm soak and rub gently.

    I will try coconut oil/cream which I do have because of my hairless rats; they need something to keep their skin moistened and protected. She has killed the tail end; it is shriveled and hard. I am just waiting for it to fall off. I think this is not a shedding that I would call normal. She is not opal/white as in pre-shed. I watched her chomp the beans out of her upper tail twice and put my fingers there just to be bitten!

    Silvadene is a year old, but I have a cup of Silvadene for humans that is 5 yrs old that I still use on burns for me and my dr says if it works have at it; I do see your point. She definitely does not want the tail there! I have tried (YIKES!) holding the tail tip taut in hopes she would pull and drop - I got the heeby jeebies! Had to let go! Another time I tried dangling her from her tail tip, same thing - can't do it! I keep checking it; the hardness does not seem to be spreading up the tail. She is still moving about and eating. Her stool was a little loose yesterday. No other changes.

    She is refusing insects so she is back on baby food and actually acting a little spry. We will see the vet next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cats1195 View Post
    Not a shed problem as I have to help her shed every time because she chokes and gags trying to swallow the shed; it is an all day thing. Wrap in a warm washcloth and reheat often. Check the toes, eyelids, tail tip, nose, chin; give a warm soak and rub gently.

    I will try coconut oil/cream which I do have because of my hairless rats; they need something to keep their skin moistened and protected. She has killed the tail end; it is shriveled and hard. I am just waiting for it to fall off. I think this is not a shedding that I would call normal. She is not opal/white as in pre-shed. I watched her chomp the beans out of her upper tail twice and put my fingers there just to be bitten!

    Silvadene is a year old, but I have a cup of Silvadene for humans that is 5 yrs old that I still use on burns for me and my dr says if it works have at it; I do see your point. She definitely does not want the tail there! I have tried (YIKES!) holding the tail tip taut in hopes she would pull and drop - I got the heeby jeebies! Had to let go! Another time I tried dangling her from her tail tip, same thing - can't do it! I keep checking it; the hardness does not seem to be spreading up the tail. She is still moving about and eating. Her stool was a little loose yesterday. No other changes.

    She is refusing insects so she is back on baby food and actually acting a little spry. We will see the vet next week.
    May I ask what supplements you usually use WHEN she does eat? Some multivitamins have a positive effect on health.

    See whether you can get Oxbow's Carnivore Care from your vet. Carnivore Care is an all-in-one powdered assist food you mix with water. It's easily digestible.

    Once opened Oxbow's Carnivore Care ONLY keeps 7 days in the refrigerator, because it has no preservatives. To keep Carnivore Care viable beyond 7 days Oxbow's vet and developer recommends:
    • Once opened FREEZE remaining Carnivore Care for up to 3 months in its own pouch. Place that pouch inside a Ziploc baggie or inside an airtight container. FREEZE!
    • Remove all air & seal.
    • Take necessary amounts out of the container directly from the freezer.
    • Then remove all air & reseal.
    • Replace the Carnivore Care back into the freezer.
    Please keep this thread updated.
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    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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