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    Hello Geckos Unlimited! I'm looking for help with my dehydrated leopard gecko.

    I have a hatchling named Lemon Custard who I bought on the 8th of September at a reptile expo in New York. They are around 3.5 to 3.75 inches long, and I don't believe they're any older than a month or so due to their patterning (but I could be completely wrong so feel free to correct me).

    They are currently in a 13 by 8 inch plastic tub with a UTH set to 90 degrees F and a cool side of somewhere around 73-75 degrees F (temp of the house). They have a moist hide, a warm hide, and a cool hide, however, very rarely visit the cool side (at least from what I've seen but I have no idea about nightly activities and what goes on while I'm at school).

    I have a bottle cap which I fill with bottled water each day on their cool side but they just aren't interested. I keep their moist hide constantly moist in hopes that they're occasionally licking the side but it's definitely not enough. They're currently on a dubia-only diet (they either dont like mealworms or the mealworms I bought were just too big, and I'm not a huge fan of introducing crickets into the house) and the dubias are gut-loaded with shredded carrots and also given some bug gel, so Lemon Custard is definitely getting some hydration from meal-time.

    Does anyone have any advice? I'm concerned the cool side is too cold and that is what's causing them to steer away from the water but I'm not sure what I could do to regulate the temperatue to be higher. I took photos (see below) two days ago but yesterday they were significantly wrinklier so I kept putting little drops of water on their nose until they stopped licking it just to ease my nerves. They were even wrinklier today but they were also very pale and getting ready to shed so I want to attribute some of that wrinkliness to that (though I'm not sure if shedding causes wrinkles, please let me know).

    Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm willing to keep putting little water droplets on their nose every day but they really only take 10 to 20 before giving up and im just not sure if that's enough. Thanks for reading.

    (In this first image they look a little pale but it's just the lighting, you can see their true colors from the second image. The third and fourth images are to show the wrinkles)
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    Check to see if you're getting white urates with the poop. The gecko looks fine to me and I don't think the wrinkles are signs of dehydration. The gecko is nocturnal, so unless you stay up all night watching it, there's no way to know if it is drinking or not. If by "bottle cap" you mean a 1/2" diameter coke bottle cap, please put a bigger water bowl in there. If you mean a jar cover, that's probably fine.

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    Thank you for the response Aliza, it means a lot. Yes, they’re pooping fine and daily, though just once (I read that hatchlings will poop several times a day due to how much they’re eating). I’ll make sure to get a bigger bowl for them as well.

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    Welcome to Geckos Unlimited, Jeromimo and Lemon Custard!

    How are you doing with powdered supplements for your leo Lemon Custard? Please share brand, exact name, and frequency of use.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 10-05-2019 at 02:58 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Hi, thank you for responding Elizabeth. I use Zoo Med Repti Calcium without D3 and Repti Calcium with D3, and I also use Rep-Cal Herptivite Multivitamins.

    I dust the dubia roaches every week day with the calcium without D3 and on Wednesdays I include a little bit of the calcium with D3 (I'm really not sure how much D3 they're supposed to get, just that they're not supposed to get a lot). On Saturdays and Sundays however, I dust with just the multivitamins.

    I noticed Lemon Custard's armpits are very sunken in. I know they get little pouches under their arms when they are getting too many vitamins, but Lemon seems to have quite the opposite problem. Is dusting with vitamins twice a week too little?

    I've been told you cant really "overfeed" leos because it all goes to their tail but the dubia roaches are getting a bit big and Lemon Custard is looking chubby near their butt. I'm going to switch to just 7 dubias a day until they're bigger than Lemon's head--please let me know if you reccommend otherwise. Also, I measured this morning and Lemon is just past 4 inches now; I must have been wrong in the measurements I had mentioned in the first post.

    I hope this helps. Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeromimo View Post
    Hi, thank you for responding Elizabeth. I use Zoo Med Repti Calcium without D3 and Repti Calcium with D3, and I also use Rep-Cal Herptivite Multivitamins.

    I dust the dubia roaches every week day with the calcium without D3 and on Wednesdays I include a little bit of the calcium with D3 (I'm really not sure how much D3 they're supposed to get, just that they're not supposed to get a lot). On Saturdays and Sundays however, I dust with just the multivitamins.

    I noticed Lemon Custard's armpits are very sunken in. I know they get little pouches under their arms when they are getting too many vitamins, but Lemon seems to have quite the opposite problem. Is dusting with vitamins twice a week too little?

    I've been told you cant really "overfeed" leos because it all goes to their tail but the dubia roaches are getting a bit big and Lemon Custard is looking chubby near their butt. I'm going to switch to just 7 dubias a day until they're bigger than Lemon's head--please let me know if you reccommend otherwise. Also, I measured this morning and Lemon is just past 4 inches now; I must have been wrong in the measurements I had mentioned in the first post.

    I hope this helps. Thanks again.
    You're most welcome.

    I don't know what to make of sunken in armpits. I'll check my leo when I feed her next.

    Vitamin D3 is crucial for metabolizing calcium. Without sufficient vitamin D3, a leo is prone to metabolic bone disease. Vitamin D3 is fat soluble. It sticks around in a leo's body for about 1 week. Excessive plain calcium in the gut actually blocks absorption of other nutrients!

    Here's a better way to spread out Lemon Custard's supplements.

    Weekly Schedule 124 for Leopard Geckos 0-12 months old
    (withOUT UVB)

    • Crickets or dubia >> Monday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
    • Mealworms >> Tuesday
    • Crickets or dubia >> Wednesday - lightly dusted with pure precipitated calcium carbonate withOUT D3 (Zoo Med's Repti Calcium or NOW human brand calcium)
    • Crickets or dubia >> Thursday
    • Crickets or dubia >> Friday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins withOUT D3
    • Mealworms >> Saturday
    • No food or free choice >> Sunday
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

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    Thank you so incredibly much! That schedule looks great. I will make sure to give Lemon Custard more D3 and not overdose on the calcium. I hope what I've been doing so far hasn't caused them any health difficulties.

    Lemon Custard gives thanks for all the help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeromimo View Post
    Thank you so incredibly much! That schedule looks great. I will make sure to give Lemon Custard more D3 and not overdose on the calcium. I hope what I've been doing so far hasn't caused them any health difficulties.

    Lemon Custard gives thanks for all the help!
    You guys are welcome! Lemon Custard will probably be just fine.

    When your Rep-Cal Herptivite multivitamins expires, I recommend getting Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins withOUT D3 instead.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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