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    I took my Leo to the vet 2 days ago, but they weren't able to diagnose him without running blood tests or imaging, and otherwise his condition was inconclusive. I want to figure out (a) if I need to take him back to the vet and (b) what test I should run if I do, since I can't afford every type of diagnostic they had listed (and they didn't really offer me a recommendation of what they would do).

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    8mo leopard gecko in 20gal tank.

    Lives on tile, warm end can be a bit variable even with thermostat, 87-93 F. Cool end is regularly about 72. Moist hide hovers around 84 F inside.

    Diet is primarily dubias with some mealworms. Dusted with Calcium + d3 2x/week and multivitamin 1/x week.

    A little over 2 weeks ago, he ingested some spagnum moss from his moist hide and was impacted. After 4 days, he managed to pass most/all of it. The day after he passed the spagnum moss, he ate a very large quantity of mealworms, and passed stool normally two days later. He ate a couple dubias (way fewer than normal) that day, and that is the last time he ate solid food. He passed (a small amount of stool) after that.

    The vet noted that there was a small intestinal loop near his pelvis, which could be causing discomfort. His mouth looked slightly irritated but not enough to diagnose mouth rot. He is now getting Oxbow Carnivore Care liquid food daily, as well as Meloxicam. He has excreted the liquid food normally, although with a lot more yellow in his urates than normal.

    I want to do the best I can to care for him, but I also can't afford to run all the possible diagnostics. He's still quite energetic, although he has started hiding a lot since I started giving him medications. When I offer him live food, he turns away.

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    Diet is primarily dubias with some mealworms. Dusted with Calcium + d3 2x/week and multivitamin 1/x week.
    You mention your leo is 8 mo.
    1. Have you a 20 long: 30 x 12 x 12 inches tall?
    2. What dimensions is his heat mat?
    3. Does this vet specialize in reptiles?

    What is your vet prescribing Meloxicam for? How do you give it to him?

    Let's begin with the supplements. All supplements are different. Please list the exact brand and name of those supplements. They'll stick better to dubia than to mealworms.
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    He is in the Exo-Terra medium-low tank (24 x 18 x 12), and has an 11x17 heat mat.

    He just has the Exo-Terra Calcium + D3:
    Calcium (min) 35.0%
    Calcium (max) 37.0%
    Vitamin D3 14,740 IU/lb

    and Exo-Terra multivitamin:
    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein (min) 14.0% Copper 2.5 ppm
    Crude Fat (min) 1.2% Zinc 6.5 ppm
    Crude Fiber (max) 8.0% Iodine 0.75 ppm
    Moisture (max) 12.0% Manganese 6.5 ppm
    Ash (max) 9.0% Choline 81.44 mg/lb
    Calcium (min) 4.4% Menadione 0.907 mg/lb
    Calcium (max) 4.6% Biotin 0.004 mg/lb
    Salt (max) 0.00275% Inositol 4.989 mg/lb
    Potassium (min) 0.0033% Beta Carotene 4.082 mg/lb
    Sulfur (min) 0.011% Vitamin D3 9,979 IU/lb
    Magnesium 2 ppm Vitamin E 45.3 IU/lb
    Iron 77 ppm

    The meloxicam was for inflammation/irritation in his mouth and gut. He is on it for another 4 days, and gets it in a liquid suspension given orally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by possum View Post
    He is in the Exo-Terra medium-low tank (24 x 18 x 12), and has an 11x17 heat mat.

    He just has the Exo-Terra Calcium + D3:
    Calcium (min) 35.0%
    Calcium (max) 37.0%
    Vitamin D3 14,740 IU/lb

    and Exo-Terra multivitamin:
    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein (min) 14.0% Copper 2.5 ppm
    Crude Fat (min) 1.2% Zinc 6.5 ppm
    Crude Fiber (max) 8.0% Iodine 0.75 ppm
    Moisture (max) 12.0% Manganese 6.5 ppm
    Ash (max) 9.0% Choline 81.44 mg/lb
    Calcium (min) 4.4% Menadione 0.907 mg/lb
    Calcium (max) 4.6% Biotin 0.004 mg/lb
    Salt (max) 0.00275% Inositol 4.989 mg/lb
    Potassium (min) 0.0033% Beta Carotene 4.082 mg/lb
    Sulfur (min) 0.011% Vitamin D3 9,979 IU/lb
    Magnesium 2 ppm Vitamin E 45.3 IU/lb
    Iron 77 ppm

    The meloxicam was for inflammation/irritation in his mouth and gut. He is on it for another 4 days, and gets it in a liquid suspension given orally.
    Hi possum ~ Good on your Exo Terra with an 11 x 17 inch heat mat!

    Is your vet an exotics specialist?

    Both your calcium + D3 and your multivitamin contain vitamin D3. That's overkill and could be harmful.

    Vitamin D3 only needs to be taken at 1 feeding per week. That's because D3 is fat soluble and sticks around in a leo's body for about 1 week. Zoo Med's Reptivite withOUT D3 is superior as a multivitamin, because it contains a wee bit of vitamin A acetate (retinol) and a generous dose of calcium carbonate. I recommend switching to Zoo Med's supplements, Reptivite withOUT D3 and plain calcium. When your Exo Terra calcium with D3 expires, consider switching to Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 instead.

    Here's an excellent schedule for your young leo to follow. Many GU leos have thrived on these supplements!

    Weekly Schedule 124 for Leopard Geckos 0-12 months old
    (withOUT UVB)
    Early stage metabolic bone disease (MBD) problems include uneven (lopsided) gait, bowed limbs, belly dragging, and an underbite.
    • Crickets or dubia >> Monday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
    • Mealworms >> Tuesday
    • Crickets or dubia >> Wednesday - lightly dusted with pure precipitated calcium carbonate withOUT D3 (Zoo Med's Repti Calcium or NOW human brand calcium)
    • Crickets or dubia >> Thursday
    • Crickets or dubia >> Friday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins withOUT D3
    • Mealworms >> Saturday
    • No food or free choice >> Sunday
    1. For link 124 click: Weekly Feeding & Supplement Schedule 124 for leopard geckos 0-12 months old
    2. For link 77 click: Gecko Multivitamins
    3. For link 24 click: Calcium powders with D3: Zoo Med, Rep-Cal, Fluker, Exo Terra, + others
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 12-18-2019 at 11:02 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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