Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 33
  1. #11
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    USA: Oregon
    Posts
    21,242
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    79 Post(s)
    Tagged
    9 Thread(s)

    Default


    LOG IN TO CLOSE THIS AD   


    Quote Originally Posted by gujn View Post
    Thank you! I read about this on various forums describing the symptoms, like 'acting like brain damaged', 'disoriented', 'curling up from stomach pain', 'lethargy', 'anorexia', and 'dragging limbs/wobbly walk'

    We called the vet again about blood draw (to measure calcium blood content)- but again, said, blood draws from them are stressful, and usually don't result in a good enough draw to test - she said to continue meds, and continue bathing/soaking - and force feed as necessary with the Carnivore Care

    We are going to immediately stop the Repashy and get the calcium carbonate overnighted (not available locally)

    Some of the forums suggested supplementing with electrolytes as well - your thoughts?


    It's my daughters gecko, and she is devastated. I'd like to set expectations if the prognossis is bleak, or continue to 'treat' her problem if it's resolvable.
    Current bone condition would show on an x-ray/radiograph. What do you think?

    I wonder whether you should eliminate even plain calcium carbonate for the time being???

    Otherwise, let's proceed from week to week to see whether your leo shows improvement. Don't give up yet. Lightly dust with plain calcium carbonate no more frequently than 2x per week.

    Soaking will help keep her hydrated. Adding some clear Pedialyte to her soaks probably won't "hurt".
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 02-19-2020 at 12:39 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

  2. #12
    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    17
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Will do

    I'll hold all calcium for a week
    I will add some clear pedialyte to the bath/soak. (Any idea how much of a mix ratio?)

    After a week, if there isn't an improvement, we'll revisit the vet for x-ray?

    Thank you!

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    USA: Oregon
    Posts
    21,242
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    79 Post(s)
    Tagged
    9 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gujn View Post
    Will do

    I'll hold all calcium for a week
    I will add some clear pedialyte to the bath/soak. (Any idea how much of a mix ratio?)

    After a week, if there isn't an improvement, we'll revisit the vet for x-ray?

    Thank you!
    Withholding ALL calcium, plain and included in multivitamins, for at least 1 week is an excellent move. That's because vitamin D is fat soluble. That means vitamin D3 sticks around in a gecko's body for "about" a week and metabolizes plain calcium throughout the following week! She doesn't need more calcium action at this time!

    Here's a 19 Feb 2020 quote off Pangea's website:
    "I had been using roughly 50/50 water and Pedialyte for the soak. Some people dilute it more, but the recommendations that are out there seem quite arbitrary. The instructions on the bottle say one should use undiluted Pedialyte for human infants. However, Pedialyte is normally used orally, to replenish lost fluids and electrolytes in infants with severe diarrhea. If the gecko's dehydration is due to diarrhea as well, soaking him in Pedialyte seems like a good idea, especially if he also drinks some of it. In a gecko without diarrhea, added electrolytes may not really be necessary, but it will not do any harm, right?

    "Well, ONLY if you rinse your gecko with pure water after the soak, as I (or better poor Jack) painfully realized. If you pull the gecko straight out of his pedialyte soak and just put him back into his tub, he will develop a nice 'salt crust' after the solution dries on him. It is invisible, but I am quite sure that this was the reason for Jack's increasing dehydration: all the salt on his skin was drawing fluids out of him. I rinsed him thoroughly after tonight's soak, and now I am having a nice, plump and active gecko in the tub next to me. I will still treat him with Albon over the next two weeks, but I will just soak him in plain water."
    Based upon the above quote from Pangea's website after using this search topic: "ratio of pedialyte to water for gecko soaking", let's skip Pedialyte. Your leo certainly doesn't need more stress.

    If you are looking for a second vet opinion, here's a good resource.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 02-24-2020 at 12:44 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

  4. #14
    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    17
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Awesome, thank you!
    Likes Elizabeth Freer liked this post

  5. #15
    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    17
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Do you have any estimate as to when I should see any improvement should our discussion thus far be the issue?

  6. #16
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    USA: Oregon
    Posts
    21,242
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    79 Post(s)
    Tagged
    9 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gujn View Post
    Do you have any estimate as to when I should see any improvement should our discussion thus far be the issue?
    I hope you'll notice improvement week-by-week -- once she's no longer dealing with excessive calcium doses.

    It's important to keep her hydrated via soaks and moist hide time.

    Is she still accepting mealworms off the tongs? Is she still defecating?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

  7. #17
    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    17
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    We are soaking her daily (20-30 mins as she'll tolerate) - she's staying solely in her moist hide - which we keep moist daily

    She is eating still from tongs - she ate 8 mealworms last night

    She is pooping at least every other day - looks normal (and she's doing this in her 'regular' spot in the cool hide)

    Last night she was very lethargic and her aim on eating was horrible, but she still managed as we've perfected the tong presentation
    Thanks Elizabeth Freer thanked for this post

  8. #18
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    USA: Oregon
    Posts
    21,242
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    79 Post(s)
    Tagged
    9 Thread(s)

    Default

    The two meds are:
    Panacur
    Enrofloxacin
    Have there been problems that you know of which warrant either one of these meds?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

  9. #19
    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    17
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Nothing evident that warranted the meds. We did stop giving them as well.

    Continuing soaks, she's eating and pooping and appears have more 'fight' in her when soaking. She has come out of the moist hide a few times to bask in the heat from the overhead heat emitter. She seems to have a bit better appetite and aim as well. So I -think- there is some improvement - not much, but some.
    Likes Elizabeth Freer liked this post

  10. #20
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    USA: Oregon
    Posts
    21,242
    Post Thanks / Like
    Mentioned
    79 Post(s)
    Tagged
    9 Thread(s)

    Default


    LOG IN TO CLOSE THIS AD   


    Quote Originally Posted by gujn View Post
    Nothing evident that warranted the meds. We did stop giving them as well.

    Continuing soaks, she's eating and pooping and appears have more 'fight' in her when soaking. She has come out of the moist hide a few times to bask in the heat from the overhead heat emitter. She seems to have a bit better appetite and aim as well. So I -think- there is some improvement - not much, but some.
    Thanks so much for updating your thread!

    Had fecals been done at the vet's? Taking medications for "unknown"/untested problems is definitely not helpful.

    Keep up your care! I hope that frequent soaking can help rid your leo's body of excess calcium.

    May I ask her name?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

User Tag List

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •