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    No fecal done - she wasn't pooping when we took her to the vet, and they wanted a 'fresh' one.

    We did stop the meds at the same time we stopped the Repashy.

    Her name is Apricot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gujn View Post
    No fecal done - she wasn't pooping when we took her to the vet, and they wanted a 'fresh' one.

    We did stop the meds at the same time we stopped the Repashy.

    Her name is Apricot.
    Knowing when you stopped her meds is additionally helpful.

    Apricot is a pretty name.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    How has Apricot been doing lately?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Late to this thread - I hope Apricot is doing better. Hypercalcimia is treatable when caught early - the best treatment is hydration. making sure she is drinking enough - excess calcium is filtered out of the body by the kidneys - the calcium can harden in the kidneys (kidney stones) without enough fluids to flush them.
    I would agree to stop ALL supplements for two weeks. Then add them in slowly - as Elizabeth said - follow the supplementation guides.
    My Wyrm was having the same problem - i was over supplementing with plain calcium, I talked with a vet out west extensively and he has made a 100% come back. I treated with just fluid therapy and greatly reducing supplementation. When I feed I only put calcium and vitamins on 1/4 of his bugs. That and making sure he has a moist hide and fresh water at all times. The only lasting side effect could potentially be decreased kidney function, but without lots of bloodwork over the course of several months/years, there is no way to know if function is decreasing as long as she is not showing symptoms
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    Update...

    So, Apricot -seems- to be getting better on some days, and then some days a little tiny step backwards.

    She is not on any meds or supplements. It's been about two and half weeks since.

    She -seems- to be walking better. She continues to poop and eat (when presented via tweezers, not on her own), yet some days she's not interested in eating as much or anything.

    We continue to soak her every other day for about 20 minutes. (Her fight on this soaking is also much better than before where she just curled up and laid there - she doesn't care for baths!)

    She also shed again - about 4 weeks from the last shed - no issues with the shed.

    She does appear to be more mobile during the evening, my daughter has heard and seen her out of her moist hide, sometimes climbing up on top to soak up the heat from the CHE, but not going to eat from her bowl.

    Wondering when I should begin to provide calcium again? Also, when to supply any D3 as well.

    Anything else I should be doing to help her along, or anything I should be looking out for other than deterioration?

    Thanks!

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    One other thing to note...

    Her poop presented with what appeared to be the eco-coconut-earth fiber that was in her moist hide. We removed that and are currently using moist papertowels. (The fiber-laden poop was a first, and a big one) This was about 3 days ago.

    Other than soaking, how can I ensure she is being appropriately hydrated? Her water is always kept filled, but is on the cool side, which she doesn't appear to be visiting much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gujn View Post
    Update...

    So, Apricot -seems- to be getting better on some days, and then some days a little tiny step backwards.

    She is not on any meds or supplements. It's been about two and half weeks since.

    She -seems- to be walking better. She continues to poop and eat (when presented via tweezers, not on her own), yet some days she's not interested in eating as much or anything.

    We continue to soak her every other day for about 20 minutes. (Her fight on this soaking is also much better than before where she just curled up and laid there - she doesn't care for baths!)

    She also shed again - about 4 weeks from the last shed - no issues with the shed.

    She does appear to be more mobile during the evening, my daughter has heard and seen her out of her moist hide, sometimes climbing up on top to soak up the heat from the CHE, but not going to eat from her bowl.

    Wondering when I should begin to provide calcium again? Also, when to supply any D3 as well.

    Anything else I should be doing to help her along, or anything I should be looking out for other than deterioration?

    Thanks!
    Quote Originally Posted by gujn View Post
    One other thing to note...

    Her poop presented with what appeared to be the eco-coconut-earth fiber that was in her moist hide. We removed that and are currently using moist papertowels. (The fiber-laden poop was a first, and a big one) This was about 3 days ago.

    Other than soaking, how can I ensure she is being appropriately hydrated? Her water is always kept filled, but is on the cool side, which she doesn't appear to be visiting much.
    Hydration is a must. Without all your soaks Apricot probably would not have been able to pass her impaction.

    Did you notice SpottedDragon's reply (post 24) that she treated her leo Wrym primarily with hydration therapy and greatly reduced supplement intake?

    I know firsthand how expensive vet care is. Is there some chance Apricot could get a radiograph? A radiograph will definitively show the condition of Apricot's bones and guide us with her care.

    In the meantime continued hydration is paramount! Pooping is a great sign!
    • Locate a second bowl of fresh water on the warm end near the hide she spends the most time in.
    • Increase Apricot's warm soaks to 20 minutes every day. That may be her only way of getting fluids right now. Ideal hydration may help out Apricot's kidneys.
    • Continue keeping her primary hide moist -- now with paper towels.
    • Refrain from offering any supplements during her third week. I don't know how long it takes kidneys to flush out as much calcium as possible. Too much calcium and/or multivitamins seem to have led to Apricot's compromised condition. Perhaps that's why she ingested some moist hide substrate. However, even healthy leos occasionally eat coco fiber or sphagnum moss.
    • Reevaluate supplement use after 3, maybe 4, weeks.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Very good. We'll go another 2 weeks and if there isn't continued progress, we'll go see about a radiograph.

    1) No supplements for at least another week
    2) Daily 20 minute warm soaks
    3) Adtl. water bowl by the hide she stays in
    4) Keep moist hide moist with papertowels
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    How has Apricot been doing lately?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gujn View Post
    Very good. We'll go another 2 weeks and if there isn't continued progress, we'll go see about a radiograph.

    1) No supplements for at least another week
    2) Daily 20 minute warm soaks
    3) Adtl. water bowl by the hide she stays in
    4) Keep moist hide moist with papertowels
    She is hanging in there:

    1) Walking much better
    2) Eating has diminished - force feed both mealworms and powdered meal (every other day)
    3) Bathing every other day now
    4) Added some calcium dusting to worms (once a week)

    Should we add D3? How much? same with calcium?

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