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    So, my female Mack Snow is about 6 months old. She has been fine (eating good and pooping and shedding) for the first six months, but in the last two weeks, she seems to be ailing - quickly.

    Symptoms:

    1) She appears to be 'dragging' her right front leg then flopping it foward and sort of wobbling when walking - as if she is drunk, or off balance - tends to slump to the right
    2) She curls herself up - bends in half sort of - unusual for her
    3) She stopped eating
    4) Stays in her moist hide

    Other things,

    1) Just finished a shed - during her 'illness'
    2) Taken to the vet
    a) prescribed antibiotics and parasite medicine
    b) no diagnosis provided
    c) said to soak once a day for 20-30 mins in lukewarm water
    d) gave us some mush food to force feed
    e) said to turn up the heat (CRE to 80-90 deg)
    f) No jaw issues - vet did not suspect MBD (no limb swelling as well)
    g) tail is plump - vet said a tad 'overweight' - 69g
    h) Vet put her on her back, and she just curled up, vs. turning upright (vet said she should immediately right herself)

    3) She will eat fine if we present mealworm to her in her hide - but she seems uncoordinated and misses a bit - but does eat fine - and has pooped

    Vet looked over housing and said everything else was fine - warm hide, moist hide, cool hide and side - water - food - under tank heater, and now a CRE added to top

    Humidity is a challenge (around 30-40) and temps are (91 in warm hide, 80-85ish in moist hide, and 88 ambient now - cool side is around 70-75)

    Any ideas? She was fine, with no issues, and now, something is definitely up. (Mealworms are regularly dusted with Repashy w/D3 - she typically ate about 5-10/day previously before falling sick)
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    Vet looked over housing and said everything else was fine - warm hide, moist hide, cool hide and side - water - food - under tank heater, and now a CRE added to top

    Humidity is a challenge (around 30-40) and temps are (91 in warm hide, 80-85ish in moist hide, and 88 ambient now - cool side is around 70-75)
    A warm welcome to Geckos Unlimited! Is your vet an exotics specialist?

    Please share an extended video of your leo walking about.

    What exact food did your vet give you for force feeding?
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    Will try and get a video shortly

    The vet is an exotic vet

    The food is a powder mixed with water that just says 'Carnivore Care'

    The two meds are:
    Panacur
    Enrofloxacin

    She is readily eating mealworms with the Raphasy if presented to her via tweezers - tonight she ate 8 of them - and has pooped again.
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    Posted didn't go, trying again...

    I will try and get a video shortly

    The vet is an exotic vet (and has geckos of her own)

    The food is a powder mixed with water that just says 'Carnivore Care' on the bottle

    The two meds given are:
    Panacur
    Enrofloxacin

    She is readily eating mealworms with the Raphasy dusting if they are presented to her via tweezers - tonight she ate 8 of them - and has pooped

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    Quote Originally Posted by gujn View Post
    Will try and get a video shortly

    The vet is an exotic vet

    The food is a powder mixed with water that just says 'Carnivore Care'

    The two meds are:
    Panacur
    Enrofloxacin

    She is readily eating mealworms with the Raphasy if presented to her via tweezers - tonight she ate 8 of them - and has pooped again.
    Repashy's Calcium Plus multivitamins? How often are you dusting her mealworms with that?

    I really look forward to a video.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    We've been dusting all her mealworms - she's fed daily. And yes, the Repashy is the Vitamin and Calcium supplement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gujn View Post
    We've been dusting all her mealworms - she's fed daily. And yes, the Repashy is the Vitamin and Calcium supplement.
    Daily dustings with Repashy's Calcium Plus multivitamins is way too much. She might be suffering from a supplement overdose.

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    What do you feed her mealworms?

    Please check this link to see what GU's acpart (Aliza) recommends when using that Repashy's supplement.



    PS:
    Your video sooner than later will be totally appreciated! A video will really help me.
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    I'm sorry I haven't video'd her walking - she's been a recluse in her moist hide, and I haven't wanted to stress her.

    I think you've clued in on something that may be accurate, the D3/Vitamin overdose. We've dusted her mealworms since day one (based on the breeder's recommendations) and she eats anywhere from 4-10 daily (we've had her for about 4 months now)

    Based on reading on MBD - I initially though this was what she had. The vet (supposed to be an exotic) said she didn't believe that was it. Also said she doesn't usually draw blood as it's too difficult to get a good drawing from the leo's.

    After researching and reading more about hypercalcemia - her symptoms match perfectly.

    If you believe this is the case, what are your recommendations for treatment? Also, what is the long term prognosis normally in this case?

    I've read that I should stop the D3/Vitamin supplements for one month - (however, continue to provide straight calcium)

    Thank you so much for all of your assistance thus far!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gujn View Post
    I'm sorry I haven't video'd her walking - she's been a recluse in her moist hide, and I haven't wanted to stress her.

    I think you've clued in on something that may be accurate, the D3/Vitamin overdose. We've dusted her mealworms since day one (based on the breeder's recommendations) and she eats anywhere from 4-10 daily (we've had her for about 4 months now)

    Based on reading on MBD - I initially though this was what she had. The vet (supposed to be an exotic) said she didn't believe that was it. Also said she doesn't usually draw blood as it's too difficult to get a good drawing from the leo's.

    After researching and reading more about hypercalcemia - her symptoms match perfectly.

    If you believe this is the case, what are your recommendations for treatment? Also, what is the long term prognosis normally in this case?

    I've read that I should stop the D3/Vitamin supplements for one month - (however, continue to provide straight calcium)

    Thank you so much for all of your assistance thus far!
    You're quite welcome!

    Please share the link(s) you read regarding hypercalcemia.

    What about withdrawing these meds too right now? Perhaps your vet might agree that hypercalcemia is a better diagnosis.

    The two meds are:
    Panacur
    Enrofloxacin
    Stop all Repashy's Calcium Plus multivitamins for 1 week. See whether your leo improves and how much. Then continue stopping Repashy's Calcium Plus for the second week.

    Buy NOW pure calcium off Amazon (human grade pure calcium) or Zoo Med's Repti Calcium withOUT D3.


    I don't know what the long term prognosis is.

    Please keep this thread updated.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 02-19-2020 at 10:57 AM.
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    Thank you! I read about this on various forums describing the symptoms, like 'acting like brain damaged', 'disoriented', 'curling up from stomach pain', 'lethargy', 'anorexia', and 'dragging limbs/wobbly walk'

    We called the vet again about blood draw (to measure calcium blood content)- but again, said, blood draws from them are stressful, and usually don't result in a good enough draw to test - she said to continue meds, and continue bathing/soaking - and force feed as necessary with the Carnivore Care

    We are going to immediately stop the Repashy and get the calcium carbonate overnighted (not available locally)

    Some of the forums suggested supplementing with electrolytes as well - your thoughts?

    It's my daughters gecko, and she is devastated. I'd like to set expectations if the prognosis is bleak, or maintain a positive attitude that we're continuing to 'treat' her problem if it's resolvable.
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