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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoFanboy View Post
    Thank you, Elizabeth. I'll give all of this a shot.

    I NEVER use anything Fluker's. I use Bug Burger and Superload all the time. My bugs are fed wet Bug Burger as a staple food source in their critter cages. When I gutload them, I'll move a couple of them to another container and give them Superload along with a piece of veggie or fruit. I keep my bugs super clean. Clean the critter cages out every 3-4 days. Never use soaps. Just scalding hot water.

    A note:
    I mean, it's like, I only need one leaf to feed a bug, you know? I'll never cook with mustard greens, turnip greens, dandelion flowers & leaves, collard greens, escarole lettuce, papaya, watercress or alfalfa. And I love to cook, LOL, but none of them make my list. Haha. And they are the best for my bugs. Ugh! Can I go into a field and pick dandelions???
    You're welcome.

    All these are high calcium/low phosphorus: collard, mustard, turnip, and dandelion flowers/greens.

    Unknown pesticides are the problem with field collecting dandelions. Could you grow your own dandelions in pots or in small garden beds?

    At this time don't use ANY powdered supplements!

    Please use all the hydration tips I offered today. IF Scooby is suffering from too much calcium and/or D3, that can help flush out his body and his kidneys.

    GU has 2-3 similar threads currently in progress.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoFanboy View Post
    Well, you know, regarding hydration, I have a bit of a confession, for awhile there I might have been over-hydrating Scooby. This past winter, I ordered him a couple cups of hornworms. They grow super fast. Most times I have to throw alot of them out. I was feeding them to him inbetween other feedings...spoiling him a bit. When he eats the bigger ones, he pees. Hornworms are 80% water. He got some hydration this winter. He hasn't had a hornworm in about a month though. I was dusting the hornworms occasionally as well.

    I grow a patio container garden every summer. I will grow some dandelions this year. Thanks!

    I'm thinking the warm baths might help his shoulder as well. I still wonder if he dislocated it? If that's the case, movement is the only thing that will eventually pop it back into place, and that's something only he can solve, not me.
    Let's wait to rule out MBD until we confirm his bone density.

    Scooby could be suffering from hypervitaminosis or hypercalcemia.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 03-08-2020 at 08:12 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    I would think I'm going to need to go back to the vet for this? They didn't draw blood or anything that I know of. I think they just did an X-ray to check for broken bones. I have no idea how they ruled out MBD, but they did. Visually from an X-ray?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoFanboy View Post
    I would think I'm going to need to go back to the vet for this? They didn't draw blood or anything that I know of. I think they just did an X-ray to check for broken bones. I have no idea how they ruled out MBD, but they did. Visually from an X-ray?
    Yes, maybe visually from an x-ray.

    Make sure the vets know how much Repashy's Calcium Plus he's been taking over the past year and maybe throughout his life.

    I can't imagine taking an x-ray of just a leo's arm. Hopefully they already have a full body image.

    I'm not sure Scooby needs a blood draw. That's why I recommend +++++ hydration. That image should clearly show how dense Scooby's bones are right now . . . . . . . whether he has MBD. I wonder whether that image would also show his kidneys?

    It was somewhat diificult to see. In your video do you see "bending" of both front arms?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    They used a dental X-ray device, LOL. That's what she said they use for small lizards. His arms bend normally. One is weaker than the other though. He can still bend the bad leg backward when he's laying down. You know, to me, gecko arms are weird looking, period. They're rubbery looking and rounded...strange looking appendages really, even when healthy, to be honest. I'm not a good judge of healthy gecko legs, LOL. Anyway, the vet said, "No MBD".

    I should mention one other thing, a day or two before this I was holding him and he really struggled in my hand, moreso than usual. I had to put him back in the tank because he was having none of it. I hope he didn't hurt himself. He was fine the next day. I didn't hear anything pop or click. But like I said, occasionally, when he wakes from a nap I'll see a limb tremor here or there...and a couple times I've noticed his head kinda "bob"...and the last couple days maybe 3 or 4 times he jerked his head real quick like he was having an electrical shock or something...literally snapping his head...kinda weird. I don't know. I hope he's okay.

    One other thing...I've been Googling leo diseases and such and I can't find anything that matches his symptoms. So weird.
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    4. I dust his bugs with Repashy Calcium Plus almost every feeding...sometimes I skip if the bugs are real big.

    5. Yes, that version.

    6. If the bugs are really big (dubias) they don't get the full snowman treatment. Most crickets do though.
    Excessive supplementation is not good. I highly recommend light dusting, "not like a snowman", for any bug or worm.

    IF you stick with Repashy's Calcium Plus, please consider Aliza's schedule.

    GU's acpart (Aliza) has used Repashy's Calcium Plus for years. She's bred many leopard geckos and other geckos too. Currently she cares for many leopard geckos. Here are the supplement schedules Aliza recommends.

    Repashy's Calcium Plus (all-in-one) multivitamins
    (withOUT UVB)
    Early stage metabolic bone disease (MBD) problems include uneven (lopsided) gait, bowed limbs, belly dragging, and an underbite.
    1. Feeding & Supplementing HATCHLING leopard geckos - 0-2 months old & any slow-growing leopard geckos under ~6 grams ~ Feed 3x per week.
    • Feed Tuesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays
    • Dust prey with Repashy's Calcium Plus (all-in-one) multivitamins at every other feeding
    • ALSO: Keep a bottle cap of plain calcium in the cage 24/7.
    • [See dusting chart below]

    2. Feeding & Supplementing JUVENILE leopard geckos ~ Feed 3x per week.
    • Feed Tuesdays, Thursdays, & Saturdays
    • Dust prey with Repashy's Calcium Plus (all-in-one) multivitamins at every other feeding
    • [See dusting chart below]

    3. Feeding & Supplementing ADULT leopard geckos ~ Feed 2x per week.
    • Mondays ~ feed (no dusting)
    • Thursdays ~ feed & dust prey with Repashy's Calcium Plus (all-in-one) multivitamins


    \/ \/ \/


    R = Repashy's Calcium Plus, Cc = pure precipitated calcium carbonate (withOUT vitamin D3)

    Week 1 Repashy dusting (for HATCHLINGS & JUVENILES):
    M-------T-------W------Th-------F-------Sat-------Sun
    ............R..................................... ......R...................


    Week 2 Repashy dusting (for HATCHLINGS & JUVENILES):
    M-------T-------W------Th-------F-------Sat-------Sun
    ..................................R............... ...........................


    -----> For hatchlings 0-2 months old & any slow-growing leopard geckos under ~6 grams: Aliza also places a bottle cap of pure precipitated calcium carbonate (withOUT vitamin D3) in the cage 24/7.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 03-10-2020 at 04:46 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    So I would be #3 on that list above? Only one dusting with Repashy Calcium Plus a week? Wow. I suppose I really don't need the Reptivite do I?

    So I have to get some weight off of him obviously, as the vet told me so, which means I have to drop his bug amounts down when feeding. I have 1" dubias. He eats 2 per feeding, usually, so I guess he's going down to 1 per feeding. As for crickets, he can eat about 6, so he's getting 3 now. I don't know....his appetite varies. Some days I've seen him pack away alot of food (1" dubia, 3 crickets, large hornworm). He loves to eat. He is not a picky eater AT ALL. In that respect, he's good. In other respects, he's Mr. Grumpy. So what do you think about portions?

    I've left him alone for the most part. I want him to heal from whatever is going on. I only go in at night to moisten his hide and give him clean water. I'll feed him again tomorrow night. I am keeping an eye on him.

    Lastly, what are symptoms of over-supplementation? Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoFanboy View Post
    So I would be #3 on that list above? Only one dusting with Repashy Calcium Plus a week? Wow. I suppose I really don't need the Reptivite do I?

    So I have to get some weight off of him obviously, as the vet told me so, which means I have to drop his bug amounts down when feeding. I have 1" dubias. He eats 2 per feeding, usually, so I guess he's going down to 1 per feeding. As for crickets, he can eat about 6, so he's getting 3 now. I don't know....his appetite varies. Some days I've seen him pack away alot of food (1" dubia, 3 crickets, large hornworm). He loves to eat. He is not a picky eater AT ALL. In that respect, he's good. In other respects, he's Mr. Grumpy. So what do you think about portions?

    I've left him alone for the most part. I want him to heal from whatever is going on. I only go in at night to moisten his hide and give him clean water. I'll feed him again tomorrow night. I am keeping an eye on him.

    Lastly, what are symptoms of over-supplementation? Just curious.
    Yes, Scooby is #3 on Aliza's chart.

    One reason I love Zoo Med's supplements is the generous amount of precipitated calcium carbonate contained in both their D3 formulations and their Reptivite multivitamin formulations. I shared that Schedule 126 in post 17 on this thread.
    For link 77 click: Gecko Multivitamins

    Scooby's diet sounds great! Feed him 2x per week. Soon his tummy will shrink. That takes the "edge" off dieting.

    1. Did Scooby get his warm soak today? That's super, SUPER, important!
    2. Here's a current thread on a leo who has experienced over-supplementation.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 03-11-2020 at 02:40 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Elizabeth,
    I will read that thread very soon. I have alot going on right now.

    Question: Scooby did get his soak today, but I'm curious, when you soak a gecko, just how submerged should they be in the water? I know it's a dumb question. Should I soak him everyday. You know, now that I think of it, one of the things he's been doing through this whole ordeal is licking his lips alot. I live with my 89 year-old Dad and my Dad kept saying "Maybe he's hungry?". Now, I'm thinking, maybe he was dehydrated. I remember the one day he wandered over to his water dish and kept dunking his mouth/nose into it, and I was wondering what he was doing it so much for. Hmmmm....

    He seemed a bit better tonight. I think it's just the one leg now though. It is more swollen than the other front leg. When he lifts it up walking it tremors. He's still fat when he lays down, LOL. Tomorrow night he's getting only 3 gut-loaded crickets...no dusting. I gave them Superload and carrots, apples, bananas. Monday I will start his new schedule.

    You know, he's ALWAYS spent most of his time in his moist hide. He comes out once in awhile, but it's not like he just plops down and and sits outside alot. I catch him in the other hides though. But he's ALWAYS been a somewhat reclusive gecko. He's a grumpy guy. He growls and grumbles alot. He grumbled at me tonight when I put him back into his tank after his soak. He's always growled at me since he was little. I treat him like a king. He's so ungrateful, LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoFanboy View Post
    Elizabeth,
    I will read that thread very soon. I have alot going on right now.

    Question: Scooby did get his soak today, but I'm curious, when you soak a gecko, just how submerged should they be in the water? I know it's a dumb question. Should I soak him everyday. You know, now that I think of it, one of the things he's been doing through this whole ordeal is licking his lips alot. I live with my 89 year-old Dad and my Dad kept saying "Maybe he's hungry?". Now, I'm thinking, maybe he was dehydrated. I remember the one day he wandered over to his water dish and kept dunking his mouth/nose into it, and I was wondering what he was doing it so much for. Hmmmm....

    He seemed a bit better tonight. I think it's just the one leg now though. It is more swollen than the other front leg. When he lifts it up walking it tremors. He's still fat when he lays down, LOL. Tomorrow night he's getting only 3 gut-loaded crickets...no dusting. I gave them Superload and carrots, apples, bananas. Monday I will start his new schedule.

    You know, he's ALWAYS spent most of his time in his moist hide. He comes out once in awhile, but it's not like he just plops down and and sits outside alot. I catch him in the other hides though. But he's ALWAYS been a somewhat reclusive gecko. He's a grumpy guy. He growls and grumbles alot. He grumbled at me tonight when I put him back into his tank after his soak. He's always growled at me since he was little. I treat him like a king. He's so ungrateful, LOL.
    Good on King Scooby's soak! Have the water deep enough to cover his belly (up to Scooby's back).

    I recommend daily warm water soaks, because we're not sure how much he's drinking on his own. These warm soaks may also help purge his body of all those multivitamins and perhaps extra calcium carbonate he's gotten up until now.

    I'm glad he seems better.

    What to do in the meantime:
    • Remove bran and broccoli from the stuff you feed the feeders. (Wheat bran is often high in phosphorus.)
    • Give Scooby daily warm soaks for 20-30 minutes per day. That will keep him hydrated as best we can.
    • Make sure he has good access to water. If you're not sure whether he's drinking, add a 2nd water bowl near the hide where he usually hangs out.
    • Be sure to keep his moist hide moist. The moist hide should be totally over the warm end.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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