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    Another question:
    How would we know if he's gotten too much or not enough calcium? In the past, I've fluctuated the calcium. To be honest, the last couple months, I might not have been giving the snowman treatment as much because I was running low on Calcium Plus...sometimes I wasn't putting enough in the bag...it's so hard to remember...ugh, I feel so bad. I can't remember, honestly, but he was always getting "some", I just don't remember exact doses. Other than that, I'm doing everything you said. I'm just worried....what if I'm treating him for the wrong thing, LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoFanboy View Post
    Well, you know, regarding hydration, I have a bit of a confession, for awhile there I might have been over-hydrating Scooby. This past winter, I ordered him a couple cups of hornworms. They grow super fast. Most times I have to throw alot of them out. I was feeding them to him inbetween other feedings...spoiling him a bit. When he eats the bigger ones, he pees. Hornworms are 80% water. He got some hydration this winter. He hasn't had a hornworm in about a month though. I was dusting the hornworms occasionally as well.

    I grow a patio container garden every summer. I will grow some dandelions this year. Thanks!

    I'm thinking the warm baths might help his shoulder as well. I still wonder if he dislocated it? If that's the case, movement is the only thing that will eventually pop it back into place, and that's something only he can solve, not me.
    Hummmm, it seems like Scooby-Doo's "dental" x-ray would show whether or not he dislocated his shoulder.
    Hornworms are an excellent treat. Hornworms are SUPER high in calcium! A healthy leo will pee out any excess liquid.

    Here's a way to keep hornworms from growing too large for many sized leos. If you follow these tips, you'll be able to keep hornworms alive for 4+ weeks. It's easy.

    Hornworm Tips:
    When kept by the following method, it's easy to keep hornworms alive (and of edible size for many leopard geckos) for 4+ weeks. Make sure the company includes enough food. Keep extra food in the cooler with the hornworms, NOT in the refrigerator. IF you keep hornworm food in the refrigerator, the food will get too hard for hornworms to eat.

    • Hornworms grow rapidly when kept at normal room temperatures!
    • When the hornworms nearly reach a good size for feeding, place them (in container) into a picnic cooler or wine cooler to lessen rapid growth.
    • Add 1 solid ice pack replaced 2x daily . . . . . . every 12 hours.
    • Keep the temperature inside the cooler ~55*F (12.8*C).
    • Turn the hornworm container upside down so that their food is on the top and the lid is the new "base".
    • Elevate the hornworm container off the ground with egg flats or a couple pencils to give your hornworms AIR.
    • Don't let the hornworm container touch the ice pack.
    • Empty hornworm poop once a day.
    • Serve the hornworms plain at first. Then try lightly dusting them with pure precipitated calcium carbonate (withOUT vitamin D3) to further balance their calcium-to-phosphorus ratio.
    • Should a hornworm get mangled, clean up its green juice right away. The green "juice" is difficult to remove when dry.
    For link 33 click: Hornworm Care Guidelines
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 03-13-2020 at 04:16 PM.
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

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    So lastnight when I went into his moist hide to pick him up and give him his warm bath, I found this little, hard, yellow pluggish-looking thing, stuck to the moist paper towel in his hide. I don't shred his paper towels, I kinda crunch them up and compress them, so it was really noticeable, hard as rock, glued to the paper towel. I suppose this came out of him. I don't know if this was calcium that came out of his butt or a hemipene plug. I have not seen him gnawing at his private parts. The last couple weeks, I'd notice sometimes he'd only drop a small amount of white poo or just black poo. It wasn't always like this though, but I never thought anything of it. Lastnight though, after finding this "thing", he dropped a huge amount of both black and white poo, which looked very healthy. Hmmm...I have no clue what that little thing was, but I suppose the warm bath did him some good. I'll keep doing the baths, but for how long? BTW. he loves his warm baths. Just sits there so calm. Spreads his back legs real wide. He still has the tremors slightly, but not in all legs.

    Also, I talked to the vet today. She mentioned she saw some yellow stuff around his male areas, so that "thing" I saw might have been something he shed off. I don't remember what she called it. She said his X-rays looked healthy. His bones and spine looked good. They didn't look moth-eaten or bent. She said that if he tremored it could be over-supplementation, and tremoring is DEFINITELY one of his symptoms and that is a FOR SURE! She probably told me alot that day down there, but I didn't absorb it all. I was upset and worried. I think Scooby hurt his leg, is overweight, and is over-supplemented...so he's got some issues, you know? I'm gonna feed him 3 crickets tonight (no dusting), give him more anti-inflammatory (this is only his 3rd dose; only gets it after food; won't get again til Monday) and give him another warm bath. He loves his baths!

    Any more advice?
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    They gave me some oral take-home syringes with an anti-inflammatory, but he has to take it with food and he's supposed to take it 5 days in a row, but HE'S NOT EATING BECAUSE HE'S UPSET ABOUT ALL OF THIS. I'm not giving him this anti-imflammatory until he eats. It's no different than a person taking it. It will upset your stomach and his tummy is really little. It has a warning to look out for vomiting or black tar stools so he's not taking it til he eats...so be it. Anyway, he's still limping around tonight. Poor guy. I'm really worried about him. I have no idea what happened to him.
    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoFanboy View Post
    So lastnight when I went into his moist hide to pick him up and give him his warm bath, I found this little, hard, yellow pluggish-looking thing, stuck to the moist paper towel in his hide. I don't shred his paper towels, I kinda crunch them up and compress them, so it was really noticeable, hard as rock, glued to the paper towel. I suppose this came out of him. I don't know if this was calcium that came out of his butt or a hemipene plug. I have not seen him gnawing at his private parts. The last couple weeks, I'd notice sometimes he'd only drop a small amount of white poo or just black poo. It wasn't always like this though, but I never thought anything of it. Lastnight though, after finding this "thing", he dropped a huge amount of both black and white poo, which looked very healthy. Hmmm...I have no clue what that little thing was, but I suppose the warm bath did him some good. I'll keep doing the baths, but for how long? BTW. he loves his warm baths. Just sits there so calm. Spreads his back legs real wide. He still has the tremors slightly, but not in all legs.

    Also, I talked to the vet today. She mentioned she saw some yellow stuff around his male areas, so that "thing" I saw might have been something he shed off. I don't remember what she called it. She said his X-rays looked healthy. His bones and spine looked good. They didn't look moth-eaten or bent. She said that if he tremored it could be over-supplementation, and tremoring is DEFINITELY one of his symptoms and that is a FOR SURE! She probably told me alot that day down there, but I didn't absorb it all. I was upset and worried. I think Scooby hurt his leg, is overweight, and is over-supplemented...so he's got some issues, you know? I'm gonna feed him 3 crickets tonight (no dusting), give him more anti-inflammatory (this is only his 3rd dose; only gets it after food; won't get again til Monday) and give him another warm bath. He loves his baths!

    Any more advice?
    A leo excretes 3 separate things: urates (usually white & small), feces (usually dark brown & well-formed), and urine.

    1. Maybe that hard yellow "rock" was backing him up?

    2. Sperm plugs are male things! How do the rest of his /\-shaped pores near his vent look?

    3. IF Scooby needs to take that his anti-inflammatory medicine 5 days in a row with food, feed him smaller prey @ 1x per day with the anti-inflammatory medicine. 5 days in a row = Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday???

    Is that what your vet means?

    4. Have you read the thread I linked about gujn's leo that's hopefully recovering from a Repashy's Calcium Plus overdose?

    5. The only "treatment" anyone can do for Scooby's possible excess calcium and multivitamins =
    What to do in the meantime:
    • Continue withholding all supplements for now!
    • Give Scooby daily warm soaks for 20-30 minutes per day. That will keep him hydrated as best we can.
    • Make sure he has good access to water. If you're not sure whether he's drinking, add a 2nd water bowl near the hide where he usually hangs out.
    • Be sure to keep his moist hide moist. The moist hide should be totally over the warm end.

    6. Keep up his daily warm soaks until he is walking normally.

    7. Can you pick up some Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3? Petco carries it. It may be important in a couple weeks to give him a little vitamin D3 that is totally separate from Repashy's Calcium Plus.

    Almost ALL Repashy's supplements have +++ ingredients mixed in beyond calcium, vitamins, and minerals.

    8. For link 61 click: Female Leopard Gecko (very slight tremors when walking)......dbott67 + Zux
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

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    1. I don't know, but I suppose whatever it was it's better out than in. I'm sure Scooby's feeling better without it.

    2. I'll have to take a look.

    3. He ate a large dubia roach on Monday with his medicine, and since then he's just been turning his head away from food. He just won't eat. He's been through alot. You know how geckos are. Normally, he loves to eat, but I've been invading his space alot lately.

    Yes, that is what my vet meant...but he hasn't been eating. I told her. I don't want to give him meds without food because it warns of vomiting and black tarry stools, and says to give after eating, so he should eat with it. I told her he was getting nightly warm baths and I was letting him rest and eat when he wants and then giving him his meds. She didn't object. She told me to call her if he wasn't getting better or if he got worse. To be honest, it's almost like he has his good days and bad days. His poop looks healthy, so we can rule that as fine. But even tonight after his warm bath, when I put him back in the tank, he was still having walking issues. It's so weird. He seems like he's okay. He has energy, and he's not listless or anything, but his walking is weird. I'll try and make another video soon.

    4. Yes, I read gujn's thread. There are some things in there that are similar and some things that are not.

    • So withhold ALL supplements, period? Nothing? Nada? Zilch? Meaning: No white powders? And when will I know when to start again?

    • I'll order some ZooMed Repti Calcium with D3?

    • Should I take his calcium dish (without D3) out of his tank?

    Elizabeth, I am so scared about all of this! I'm so worried. What if this is something else and I deprive him of calcium? Ugh!! Reassure me!
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    Okay, Elizabeth, it's been 24 days since Scooby has had ANY calcium. He's walking much better now, but still has his little leg tremors (all four), but it's not a constant. Not as bad as before. He's still getting warm baths every night for 20 min. Sometimes, when he's crawling into his wet hide, I'll see his back leg tremor a bit as he's pulling it in. He's shedding normally and his poop looks normal. I'm worried about this calcium deprivation though. When should I put him back on calcium?

    Secondly, this pandemic has ME a bit worried about buying feeders right now. I have a number of dubias and mealworms to last a couple more months, but I am leery about ordering feeders from states that are getting hit hardest with this virus (CA - Rainbow Mealworms). Scooby hasn't had a cricket in a couple weeks now. I don't know if they closed our local PetSmart yet. I've only been going out once a week. I am the sole caregiver of my 89 year-old Dad, so this pandemic has me expecially worried, as you can imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeckoFanboy View Post
    Okay, Elizabeth, it's been 24 days since Scooby has had ANY calcium. He's walking much better now, but still has his little leg tremors (all four), but it's not a constant. Not as bad as before. He's still getting warm baths every night for 20 min. Sometimes, when he's crawling into his wet hide, I'll see his back leg tremor a bit as he's pulling it in. He's shedding normally and his poop looks normal. I'm worried about this calcium deprivation though. When should I put him back on calcium?

    Secondly, this pandemic has ME a bit worried about buying feeders right now. I have a number of dubias and mealworms to last a couple more months, but I am leery about ordering feeders from states that are getting hit hardest with this virus (CA - Rainbow Mealworms). Scooby hasn't had a cricket in a couple weeks now. I don't know if they closed our local PetSmart yet. I've only been going out once a week. I am the sole caregiver of my 89 year-old Dad, so this pandemic has me expecially worried, as you can imagine.
    I'm sorry I've not gotten back with you for ages.

    I'm happy Scooby's gait has radically improved. I don't know how long it takes to flush out excess calcium from Scooby's body. That's why I strongly recommend continuing Scooby's nightly 20 minute warm soaks.
    1. Have you ordered Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 yet?
    2. Lightly dust Scooby's prey with that for 1 feeding only.
    3. Watch what happens during the following days.
    4. If all looks good, repeat #2 2 weeks from now.
    5. Again watch Scooby's reaction.
    6. How did he react?

    I still plan on ordering crickets from Armstrong's when I run out. Then there is Timberline's Crickets.

    Here's a link specifically regarding tremors. I haven't read it in a long time and can't do so right now. Maybe this link will help Scooby too?

    As far as I know PetCos and PetSmarts remain open to serve our critters. Here's a recent link.

    I send healthy wishes for you, your dad, and Scooby especially during these super stressful times. Hang in there! Having adequate daily vitamin D3 levels in our blood may improve our chances of winning against covid-19.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 03-30-2020 at 04:38 AM.
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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