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    Hello!
    So I’ve had my gecko about a month, he’s 4 months old, he’s been looking quite thin and so we’ve been feeding him about 7 crickets and the occasional waxworm, which he was eating and he was pooping fine, but he hasn’t put in any weight really since I’ve had him and his tail is looking quite thin, not boney and you can’t see his spine or tail bone but definitely looks like there is little to no fat reserve in his tail. I’ve been worried about his weight for about 2 weeks however as he was eating and pooping regularly I thought I would see how he got on. Suddenly in the past 2 days he’s not eaten anything (only 1 cricket a day) and doesn’t seem interested in food or wax worms either! And he seems quite lethargic. Hes only shed once in the month I’ve had him and that was a week ago, and he’s been in and out of his humid hide in the last two days but doesn’t seem to be looking dusty like he does when he’s about to shed. I’ve got to the vet and showed a photo and she said all the husbandry Im doing seems fine but he’s definitely too skinny, so I’m just waiting for the results back from a poop sample.
    Is there anything anyone can recommend to do in the mean time to help him out? The results will take about 10 days to get back due to the current virus situation, and I’m worried that if he carries on only eating 1 cricket a day he might not make it until then... I’m very worried and would like to know what I could do in the mean time to help him out. Also his substrate is kit hen paper.
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    You have 3 threads started about this same gecko and same problem. I've closed the last two, since there's no need to keep starting a new thread every hour. It won't speed up any help.
    Please don't start another thread about this problem, continue here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred_thegecko View Post
    Hello!
    So Iíve had my gecko about a month, heís 4 months old, heís been looking quite thin and so weíve been feeding him about 7 crickets and the occasional waxworm, which he was eating and he was pooping fine, but he hasnít put in any weight really since Iíve had him and his tail is looking quite thin, not boney and you canít see his spine or tail bone but definitely looks like there is little to no fat reserve in his tail. Iíve been worried about his weight for about 2 weeks however as he was eating and pooping regularly I thought I would see how he got on. Suddenly in the past 2 days heís not eaten anything (only 1 cricket a day) and doesnít seem interested in food or wax worms either! And he seems quite lethargic. Hes only shed once in the month Iíve had him and that was a week ago, and heís been in and out of his humid hide in the last two days but doesnít seem to be looking dusty like he does when heís about to shed. Iíve got to the vet and showed a photo and she said all the husbandry Im doing seems fine but heís definitely too skinny, so Iím just waiting for the results back from a poop sample.
    Is there anything anyone can recommend to do in the mean time to help him out? The results will take about 10 days to get back due to the current virus situation, and Iím worried that if he carries on only eating 1 cricket a day he might not make it until then... Iím very worried and would like to know what I could do in the mean time to help him out. Also his substrate is kit hen paper.
    What you picture could be stick tail/crypto. These days vets can actually swab a gecko's vent to get the required sample.

    1. Is Fred's humid hide on the warm end of his enclosure? That's best.
    2. Does the kitchen paper substrate have adhesive backing?
    3. Does Fred have fresh water daily?
    4. While Fred was eating which powdered supplements did you use?
    5. How often did you dust with them?
    6. Heavily or lightly?

    Please buy one of these powdered foods and mix it with water. Your leo may lick this slurry off his snout.
    • Lafeber's EmerAid for Carnivors ----> Maybe from the vet?
    • Repashy's Grub Pie
    • Oxbow's Carnivore Care
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 04-04-2020 at 04:57 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    What you picture could be stick tail/crypto. These days vets can actually swab a gecko's vent to get the required sample.

    1. Is Fred's humid hide on the warm end of his enclosure? That's best.
    2. Does the kitchen paper substrate have adhesive backing?
    3. Does Fred have fresh water daily?
    4. While Fred was eating which powdered supplements did you use?
    5. How often did you dust with them?
    6. Heavily or lightly?

    Please buy one of these powdered foods and mix it with water. Your leo may lick this slurry off his snout.
    • Lafeber's EmerAid for Carnivors ----> Maybe from the vet?
    • Repashy's Grub Pie
    • Oxbow's Carnivore Care

    hello!
    1. Yes his moist hide is on the warm Side and has reptile moss inside.
    2. No the kitchen paper doesnít have a sticky backing itís just normal, i did find that he has crawled under it and was hiding under there the other day so I thought maybe he wasnít warm enough, so I turned it up to around 33.5C as it was on about 32.5 before.
    3. He does have fresh water daily, but Iíve never seen him drink it, and heís been in his moist hide the past couple days but I donít think heís about to shed as no colour change, so Iím worried maybe he is dehydrated? I have read that a Luke warm shallow back may help as he may use that time to lick up the water? I tried with a Pipette to drop it on his nose but he got a bit spooked.
    4. I used pure calcium 5 days and then the other two Nutribal
    5. Made sure they were always dusted, although I think it made them a bit hard to see as it was against a white background
    6.i put the powder in a small sandwich bag with the crickets I was going to feed him in and then shook it about to coat them, however, I think at first the dusting may have a been a bit heavy so I reduced the amount for a lighter dusting.
    I have the repashy meal replacement stuff I think itís mango flavour haha, I tried making some of that up and leaving it in a milk top and tried putting some on some tweezer ends up close to him but he just turned away, i donít want to force it into his nose as Iím worried it might dry and then clog up if he doesnít lick it up bit if you think thatís best I can give it another go!

    Any help would be much appreciated, as Iím worried what to do in the mean time while I wait for vet results!
    Thanks Elizabeth Freer thanked for this post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred_thegecko View Post
    hello!
    1. Yes his moist hide is on the warm Side and has reptile moss inside.
    2. No the kitchen paper doesn’t have a sticky backing it’s just normal, i did find that he has crawled under it and was hiding under there the other day so I thought maybe he wasn’t warm enough, so I turned it up to around 33.5C as it was on about 32.5 before.
    3. He does have fresh water daily, but I’ve never seen him drink it, and he’s been in his moist hide the past couple days but I don’t think he’s about to shed as no colour change, so I’m worried maybe he is dehydrated? I have read that a Luke warm shallow back may help as he may use that time to lick up the water? I tried with a Pipette to drop it on his nose but he got a bit spooked.
    4. I used pure calcium 5 days and then the other two Nutribal
    5. Made sure they were always dusted, although I think it made them a bit hard to see as it was against a white background
    6.i put the powder in a small sandwich bag with the crickets I was going to feed him in and then shook it about to coat them, however, I think at first the dusting may have a been a bit heavy so I reduced the amount for a lighter dusting.
    I have the repashy meal replacement stuff I think it’s mango flavour haha, I tried making some of that up and leaving it in a milk top and tried putting some on some tweezer ends up close to him but he just turned away, i don’t want to force it into his nose as I’m worried it might dry and then clog up if he doesn’t lick it up bit if you think that’s best I can give it another go!

    Any help would be much appreciated, as I’m worried what to do in the mean time while I wait for vet results!
    3. A 30*C lukewarm bath daily for about 20 minutes will be excellent! That bath will help Fred stay hydrated.

    4. That schedule was excessive for any age leo. Nutrobal contains more calcium than any other product on the market. Nutrobal is a good thing.
    For 0-12 month old leos
    • Mondays - lightly dust prey with Nutrobal
    • Wednesdays - lightly dust prey with plain calcium carbonate like Pro Rep's Calci Dust
    • Fridays ~ lightly dust prey with plain calcium carbonate like Pro Rep's Calci Dust

    6. Is Repashy's Meal Replacement Powder formulated for crested geckos? Just mix it and place it on his nose. Fred will have 2 choices: lick it off or wipe it off on the ground or somewhere else.

    When he's done, wipe his nose on top and underneath with a wet paper towel.

    I've fed some off-foods geckos this way. I've never had a problem doing so.

    7. What insects and worms had you usually fed and dusted?
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 04-04-2020 at 06:20 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    3. A 30*C lukewarm bath daily for about 20 minutes will be excellent! That bath will help Fred stay hydrated.

    4. That schedule was excessive for any age leo. Nutrobal contains more calcium than any other product on the market. Nutrobal is a good thing.
    For 0-12 month old leos
    • Mondays - lightly dust prey with Nutrobal
    • Wednesdays - lightly dust prey with plain calcium carbonate like Pro Rep's Calci Dust
    • Fridays ~ lightly dust prey with plain calcium carbonate like Pro Rep's Calci Dust

    6. Is Repashy's Meal Replacement Powder formulated for crested geckos? Just mix it and place it on his nose. Fred will have 2 choices: lick it off or wipe it off on the ground or somewhere else.

    When he's done, wipe his nose on top and underneath with a wet paper towel.

    I've fed some off-foods geckos this way. I've never had a problem doing so.

    7. What insects and worms had you usually fed and dusted?
    Amazing Thankyou!
    I will try a bath this evening when heís woken up!

    6. It is but the lady at the reptile shop said it would be the same and she fed it to her Leoís, however, Iím now realising people will say anything to get you to spend money -.- will it be bad for him?

    7. We feed him medium/small brown crickets, we did leave a pot of mealworms in there for him but he couldnít care less about meal worms if one is wiggling in front of him he will just move away from it! We occasionally fed him a waxworm Which he liked but he doesnít seem very Interested in then recently nor crickets, he ate some crickets and then regurgitated them, he goes to lunge at one (weíve been tong feeding him) but then he sort of gives up straight away.

    I will try the baths and weíve bought a new heat mat as the other one seems to be very irregul In different spots so hopefully this one will be more consistent. Any other suggestions would be much appreciated! Hope the lil guy gets better soon Iím very worried.

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    Make sure the vet is testing for crypto as well as the more usual parasites. If they aren't, the gecko can have a vent swabbed (you can do it at home) for that test.

    Aliza

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred_thegecko View Post
    Amazing Thankyou!
    I will try a bath this evening when he’s woken up!

    6. It is but the lady at the reptile shop said it would be the same and she fed it to her Leo’s, however, I’m now realising people will say anything to get you to spend money -.- will it be bad for him?

    7. We feed him medium/small brown crickets, we did leave a pot of mealworms in there for him but he couldn’t care less about meal worms if one is wiggling in front of him he will just move away from it! We occasionally fed him a waxworm Which he liked but he doesn’t seem very Interested in then recently nor crickets, he ate some crickets and then regurgitated them, he goes to lunge at one (we’ve been t larvong feeding him) but then he sort of gives up straight away.

    I will try the baths and we’ve bought a new heat mat as the other one seems to be very irregul In different spots so hopefully this one will be more consistent. Any other suggestions would be much appreciated! Hope the lil guy gets better soon I’m very worried.
    Quote Originally Posted by acpart View Post
    Make sure the vet is testing for crypto as well as the more usual parasites. If they aren't, the gecko can have a vent swabbed (you can do it at home) for that test.

    Aliza


    As Aliza just mentioned, what is Fred's poop sample being tested for?

    What substrate do you use for Fred?

    "Repashy meal replacement stuff I think it’s mango flavour" is OK. Will Fred eat it?

    Have you ever tried Phoenix worms (black soldier fly larvae) or hornworms? Skip waxworms. Waxworms have very little nutritional value.

    Regurgitation is not a good sign.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 04-05-2020 at 07:41 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    UPDATE! (Incase anyone likes to keep up with these things haha)
    So the vet called back, it came back negative for Crypto! Which is great as that had me very worried.
    She said they found a small amount of worm eggs in his poop so they have prescribed medication to take for three days, she said as it was only a small amount either that’s not the only reason for his weight loss and illness (although it definitely wouldn’t help) or just that the worms weren’t breeding much at the specific time, but hopefully as he’s only 4 months it was just the worms and after the meds he will put on weight! She said everything we are doing husbandry wise seems perfect which is a weight off my chest!

    If anyone has any tips on how to help him come back from this things to do/ not to do, just to help him out as much as we can (also I’ve ordered some of the repashy grub pie for him for the extra nutrients because I don’t really want to feed him the crested gecko version we were mis sold -.-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred_thegecko View Post
    UPDATE! (Incase anyone likes to keep up with these things haha)
    So the vet called back, it came back negative for Crypto! Which is great as that had me very worried.
    She said they found a small amount of worm eggs in his poop so they have prescribed medication to take for three days, she said as it was only a small amount either that’s not the only reason for his weight loss and illness (although it definitely wouldn’t help) or just that the worms weren’t breeding much at the specific time, but hopefully as he’s only 4 months it was just the worms and after the meds he will put on weight! She said everything we are doing husbandry wise seems perfect which is a weight off my chest!

    If anyone has any tips on how to help him come back from this things to do/ not to do, just to help him out as much as we can (also I’ve ordered some of the repashy grub pie for him for the extra nutrients because I don’t really want to feed him the crested gecko version we were mis sold -.-)
    The last thread you started on diet shows nothing there. ??? Did you delete what you'd written after you posted it?

    No crypto = good news. Sometimes a gecko may test negative and still be positive. Crypto is episodical.

    Did you finish off the worm medicine?

    Glad that you ordered Grub Pie! Make sure your leo is staying hydrated.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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