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    Hi all!

    My leo has been having some issues going to the bathroom. Been back and forth to the vet many times, had a few enemas, and as of right now her doc has me giving her some lactulose, bene bac, pumpkin, and a water bath once a week. I feed her crickets and she has a UTH set to 90. She went to the bathroom today but it was a little odd. Very gooey and mucusy.

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    I have never seen it like this before and was wondering if anyone else has. On the right you can see a regular clump of stool, then to the left some mucus and stool, a very small amount of white urate, and finally what I'm most confused about - the big yellow gooey clump. Not sure if its just urate. Hope somebody has an idea of what it is. Thanks!

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    It's really helpful when you continue on with your thread in GU's husbandry subforum.

    Many health issues can't be addressed by themselves. Continuing on with former threads gives members a much more complete picture of your leo.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
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    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    It's really helpful when you continue on with your thread in GU's husbandry subforum.

    Many health issues can't be addressed by themselves. Continuing on with former threads gives members a much more complete picture of your leo.
    Thanks! Just trying to post where it seems like it belongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hannahbandana View Post
    Hi all!

    My leo has been having some issues going to the bathroom. Been back and forth to the vet many times, had a few enemas, and as of right now her doc has me giving her some lactulose, bene bac, pumpkin, and a water bath once a week. I feed her crickets and she has a UTH set to 90. She went to the bathroom today but it was a little odd. Very gooey and mucusy.

    20200618_233703.jpg 20200618_233729.jpg

    I have never seen it like this before and was wondering if anyone else has. On the right you can see a regular clump of stool, then to the left some mucus and stool, a very small amount of white urate, and finally what I'm most confused about - the big yellow gooey clump. Not sure if its just urate. Hope somebody has an idea of what it is. Thanks!
    When a gecko has a problem, Hannah, I find it extremely helpful to know the details. Some of those details may seem unrelated. On a forum like Geckos Unlimited what you've posted before serves as a medical "chart" of sorts. It's difficult to remember all the details when we "see" lots of critters.

    All of these details are connected.
    1. Is your vet exotics certified? https://arav.site-ym.com/search/custom.asp?id=3661
    2. Have you changed anything in the enclosure?
    3. Does Nina have a dish of fresh water 24/7?
    4. Are you ONLY using your 6 x 11 heat mat now -- no CHE?
    5. What exact supplements does she take: brand, name, & frequency?
    6. Do you think some strange "bugs" may be coming along with the crickets you buy?

    If this gooey feces isn't a one time occurrence, it needs professional assistance. Since your leo has a history with this vet, can you just bring a fecal sample in for analysis?

    Just in case you need these details:
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 06-19-2020 at 11:19 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    When a gecko has a problem, Hannah, I find it extremely helpful to know the details. Some of those details may seem unrelated. On a forum like Geckos Unlimited what you've posted before serves as a medical "chart" of sorts. It's difficult to remember all the details when we "see" lots of critters.

    All of these details are connected.
    1. Is your vet exotics certified? https://arav.site-ym.com/search/custom.asp?id=3661
    2. Have you changed anything in the enclosure?
    3. Does Nina have a dish of fresh water 24/7?
    4. Are you ONLY using your 6 x 11 heat mat now -- no CHE?
    5. What exact supplements does she take: brand, name, & frequency?
    6. Do you think some strange "bugs" may be coming along with the crickets you buy?

    If this gooey feces isn't a one time occurrence, it needs professional assistance. Since your leo has a history with this vet, can you just bring a fecal sample in for analysis?

    Just in case you need these details:
    Thanks for the info!
    1. According to that link my vet is not certified but I do not see anyone certified in my area.

    2. Months ago I did change the tank itself because the one I received her in was on its last leg. Her bathroom issues did start around that time but she also goes around the tank and explores with no problem.

    3. Her name is actually George haha but yes fresh water 24/7

    4. Yes, only the heat mat

    5. 0.1 mL lacutlose and some pumpkin puree 1x/week, dust crickets with Zoo Med Reptivite without Vitamin D3 2x/week, Zoo Med Reptile Calcium without Vitamin D3 1x/week, 1/4 tsp PetAg Bird & Reptile Bene-Bac Plus FOS Prebiotic & Probiotic Powder 1x/week, and calcium with D3 always available in tank.

    6. As far as bugs with the crickets go I have no idea

    Her vet is back in tomorrow so I am going to call and see if he wants me to bring the sample in. I have it in the fridge now. I am hoping this was just a one time thing.

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    Thanks for the info!
    You're welcome, Hannah!

    1. According to that link my vet is not certified but I do not see anyone certified in my area.
    All vets can do fecals. There are no exotics vets close to my home either. I travel 2.5+ hours east to visit my exotics vet. That turns out to be an all day trip.

    2. Months ago I did change the tank itself because the one I received her in was on its last leg. Her bathroom issues did start around that time but she also goes around the tank and explores with no problem.
    OK

    3. Her name is actually George haha but yes fresh water 24/7
    Thanks (and sorry about that). Are you "Hannah"?

    4. Yes, only the heat mat
    OK

    5. 0.1 mL lacutlose and some pumpkin puree 1x/week, dust crickets with Zoo Med Reptivite without Vitamin D3 2x/week, Zoo Med Reptile Calcium without Vitamin D3 1x/week, 1/4 tsp PetAg Bird & Reptile Bene-Bac Plus FOS Prebiotic & Probiotic Powder 1x/week, and calcium with D3 always available in tank.
    I really don't know whether all those extra products are helpful to reptiles. Is George better since you started lactulose, bene-bac plus fos prebiotic & probiotic powders for her?

    How old is George? Lightly dust with these products:
    Zoo Med Reptivite withOUT D3 only 1x per week
    Zoo Med Repti Calcium withOUT D3 maybe only 1x per week depending upon age
    (Which brand?) Calcium with D3 only 1x per week

    D3 is a fat soluble vitamin. A single weekly dose metabolizes calcium all week long. I would definitely NOT leave a calcium with D3 powder inside the enclosure.


    6. As far as bugs with the crickets go I have no idea
    - - - - -

    7. Her vet is back in tomorrow so I am going to call and see if he wants me to bring the sample in. I have it in the fridge now. I am hoping this was just a one time thing.
    It's important to refrigerate a fresh stool sample.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 06-24-2020 at 01:49 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Thanks for the info!
    You're welcome, Hannah!

    1. According to that link my vet is not certified but I do not see anyone certified in my area.
    All vets can do fecals. There are no exotics vets close to my home either. I travel 2.5+ hours east to visit my exotics vet. That turns out to be an all day trip.

    2. Months ago I did change the tank itself because the one I received her in was on its last leg. Her bathroom issues did start around that time but she also goes around the tank and explores with no problem.
    OK

    3. Her name is actually George haha but yes fresh water 24/7
    Thanks (and sorry about that). Are you "Hannah"?

    4. Yes, only the heat mat
    OK

    5. 0.1 mL lacutlose and some pumpkin puree 1x/week, dust crickets with Zoo Med Reptivite without Vitamin D3 2x/week, Zoo Med Reptile Calcium without Vitamin D3 1x/week, 1/4 tsp PetAg Bird & Reptile Bene-Bac Plus FOS Prebiotic & Probiotic Powder 1x/week, and calcium with D3 always available in tank.
    I really don't know whether all those extra products are helpful to reptiles. Is George better since you started lactulose, bene-bac plus fos prebiotic & probiotic powders for her?

    How old is George? Lightly dust with these products:
    Zoo Med Reptivite withOUT D3 only 1x per week
    Zoo Med Repti Calcium withOUT D3 maybe only 1x per week depending upon age
    (Which brand?) Calcium with D3 only 1x per week

    D3 is a fat soluble vitamin. A single weekly dose metabolizes calcium all week long. I would definitely NOT leave a calcium with D3 powder inside the enclosure.


    6. As far as bugs with the crickets go I have no idea
    - - - - -

    7. Her vet is back in tomorrow so I am going to call and see if he wants me to bring the sample in. I have it in the fridge now. I am hoping this was just a one time thing.
    It's important to refrigerate a fresh stool sample.
    Wow that is a long drive! That is awesome that you can do that. Yes I am Hannah haha. I think the bene bac is helping George. Been back and forth with the vet via voicemails and he wants to decrease the frequency of lactulose and pumpkin. I am wondering if he will maybe stop it alltogether.* To me it really does seem like a lot and I am going to bring up that it seems a little too stressful for her as well. Fecal and urate are in a container in the fridge . I am honestly not sure of her age. The people I got her from can only tell me she might be about ten. For some reason they have no recollection of when George was actually bought. But that is no surprise considering they did not show much interest in caring or feeding her or their other leo. The calcium with D3 is Zoo Med brand. When I was initially doing all my research when I recieved George it seemed like a lot of owners were leaving the D3 in the cage. Oh and I should mention that she is on the Reptivite as per the vets suggestion to give her vitamin A and I believe some other vitamins as well. Mostly for the vitamin A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hannahbandana View Post
    Wow that is a long drive! That is awesome that you can do that. Yes I am Hannah haha. I think the bene bac is helping George. Been back and forth with the vet via voicemails and he wants to decrease the frequency of lactulose and pumpkin. I am wondering if he will maybe stop it alltogether.* To me it really does seem like a lot and I am going to bring up that it seems a little too stressful for her as well. Fecal and urate are in a container in the fridge . I am honestly not sure of her age. The people I got her from can only tell me she might be about ten. For some reason they have no recollection of when George was actually bought. But that is no surprise considering they did not show much interest in caring or feeding her or their other leo. The calcium with D3 is Zoo Med brand. When I was initially doing all my research when I recieved George it seemed like a lot of owners were leaving the D3 in the cage. Oh and I should mention that she is on the Reptivite as per the vets suggestion to give her vitamin A and I believe some other vitamins as well. Mostly for the vitamin A.
    Zoo Med's Reptivite without D3 is fine. I suggest reducing the dosage to 1x per week. A single dose of Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 on all feeders 1x per week sticks around in George's body all week long. That single D3 dose metabolizes calcium all week long too.

    Schedule 126 will be ideal for George.

    Weekly Schedule 126 for Leopard Geckos 18 months old +
    (withOUT UVB)
    Early stage metabolic bone disease (MBD) symptoms include uneven (lopsided) gait, walking on one or both "elbows", bowed limbs, belly dragging, and an underbite.
    The Reptile Supply Company based in Lodi, California stocks Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins withOUT D3.
    • Monday > > crickets or dubia lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
    • Thursday > > crickets or dubia lightly dusted with Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins withOUT D3
    • Saturday > > Optional: mealworms, superworms, or black soldier fly larvae (Phoenix worms) > > no dusting
    Since George is definitely an adult, I'd go by this schedule entirely. IF she needs to gain weight, sneak in an extra feeding on Saturdays.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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