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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    A snippet from your last reply:



    I use SSD 1% for a couple of my geckos. It seems to me that the former SSD layer would have already been absorbed. No?

    Please ask your vet whether Fruit of the Earth's 100% Pure Aloe Vera gel would provide relief. It contains no alcohol. It is marketed for humans. It says "Quickly Absorbed * Will Not Stain".
    I gave him a 15 minute bath last night to get all the old SSD off. He didn’t like it but it came off easier than trying to rub it off dry.

    I have no idea why it becomes so stuck, but he and I both are not looking forward to bathing NIGHTLY. The skin under neath looked healthy but it had no upper layer of reptile skin AT ALL! No color or pattern.. just a thin layer of skin covering his meat on his injured area.

    I think my vet wants me to continue the SSD because of the chance of infection but I will ask her about the aloe, thank you.

    I hope he grows new skin before his neck shed or else I’m sure he will eat through his actual meat

    She wants me to use the sedatives for his next shed. I’m a bit scared to do it in case he is too sleepy and won’t shed properly. I guess I will have to see how it goes.

    Thank you for all the advice!
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    Bathed him tonight and seen that he has gone after another side again.

    They gave me chlorihexidine wipes but I think it is too strong As a cleanser.. I soaked him for 5 minutes, wiped the old SSD off and added a new layer on both sides (the woundless side and wound side).

    I’m researching more vets.. but the one I am seeing is the only specialist in this area.

    If anyone had a continuous Self mutilation proublem with an old wound or otherwise I am still open for more suggestions...
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    Here's a vet link just in case. When my geckos need to see a vet, the trip is about 3 hours each way.


    How about having a vet perform a fecal test? A fecal is often part of many troubleshooting exams. Parasites could be making your leo uncomfortable and "ready" to strike out randomly.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 08-07-2020 at 11:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odinsmom View Post
    Bathed him tonight and seen that he has gone after another side again.

    They gave me chlorihexidine wipes but I think it is too strong As a cleanser.. I soaked him for 5 minutes, wiped the old SSD off and added a new layer on both sides (the woundless side and wound side).

    I’m researching more vets.. but the one I am seeing is the only specialist in this area.

    If anyone had a continuous Self mutilation proublem with an old wound or otherwise I am still open for more suggestions...
    Thanks
    How is Odin doing? Have you located a new exotics vet?

    What you've described: wiping the former SSD layer off prior to applying a new layer is at odds with what my experienced and trusted exotics vet has just described. Here is my vet's message from 18 August 2020.

    "I disagree with the person who said to wash off the SSD cream. That would defeat the purpose of using it. We use SSD because it creates an environment beneath the cream that promotes healing. Every time you wash it off, that environment is disturbed and you delay the healing.

    You can go right on applying it without washing it off."
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 08-24-2020 at 12:39 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Elizabeth,

    I still looking for a reputable vet.

    I have started giving him a bath each night to soften the SSD cream to come off as much as possible before applying my new layer. (Now that I read your post I will back off of the constant baths).
    Everything was great! His tail was healing well UNTIL he shed ....

    By the time I seen him, he had taken huge chunks out of his tail. I picked him up ASAP ..put him in a bath and took off the rest of his skin myself (by hand).
    The wounds were bad so the process basically was started all over again with fresh wounds.
    I did that for a week before his bite areas scared over and a few fell off before I switched to no bathes with SSD cream on only his scabbed spots and fruit of the earth aloe Vera in the rest of the areas (this was two weeks ago).

    So far so good.


    He shed again today and I was able to catch him a bit earlier than the last time so he only nipped at two spots and did NOT take chucks out.

    Bath, then sulfur cream, then wax worm filled with a dose of sedative, clean the cage, then back in he goes.

    I thought to myself that if I could keep this up, maybe he will heal without much issue, but four hours later.... I found his tail ripped up again. He went after his tail even after I took his shed off earlier myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odinsmom View Post
    Elizabeth,

    I still looking for a reputable vet.

    I have started giving him a bath each night to soften the SSD cream to come off as much as possible before applying my new layer. (Now that I read your post I will back off of the constant baths).
    Everything was great! His tail was healing well UNTIL he shed ....

    By the time I seen him, he had taken huge chunks out of his tail. I picked him up ASAP ..put him in a bath and took off the rest of his skin myself (by hand).
    The wounds were bad so the process basically was started all over again with fresh wounds.
    I did that for a week before his bite areas scared over and a few fell off before I switched to no bathes with SSD cream on only his scabbed spots and fruit of the earth aloe Vera in the rest of the areas (this was two weeks ago).

    So far so good.


    He shed again today and I was able to catch him a bit earlier than the last time so he only nipped at two spots and did NOT take chucks out.

    Bath, then sulfur cream, then wax worm filled with a dose of sedative, clean the cage, then back in he goes.

    I thought to myself that if I could keep this up, maybe he will heal without much issue, but four hours later.... I found his tail ripped up again. He went after his tail even after I took his shed off earlier myself.
    I'm so sorry about Odin's determined attacks on his tail. I don't know what to add.

    As recently mentioned, please don't disturb the former layer of SSD with baths or anything else. Just apply a new layer.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odinsmom View Post
    You're welcome!

    What about trying out that large terra cotta hide I mentioned awhile ago. It's only ~$25. Well worth the price if it increases Odin's comfort to the point he's no longer self-mutilating.

    My leo uses this terra cotta hide all the time! She alternates between her warm dry hide and this warm humid hide. This terra cotta humid hide retains a constant humidity level without any effort on my part. My leo's former humid hide was often dry, quite dry in fact. Perhaps the terra cotta hide with the basin on top will make Odin more comfortable as his skin heals. You don't have anything to lose.


    Method #6 -- Proactive Method
    Here's an excellent proactive approach! A LARGE terra cotta cave with a basin on top will keep your leo's humidity higher 24/7. Since the humidification cave is made from clay, colors vary some. Use this cave + an 8 ounce water dish for your leopard gecko.

    July 2020: My leopard gecko loves her new LARGE terra cotta humid hide with the basin on top! Place that hide on a textured ceramic tile or on a piece of slate on the enclosure's warm end right next to the warm dry hide. Use sphagnum moss inside as a bedding. Fill the basin on top with water daily.

    Terra cotta is porous. It is the only type hide that actually "breathes".
    Click: https://www.amazon.com/OMEM-Reptiles.../dp/B01M1NTI44

    Attachment 48541 Attachment 48970 Attachment 48703

    Sizes
    Small: 3.54'' x 2.76'' x 2.36''
    Medium: 4.72'' x 3.35'' x 2.95''
    Large (for ALL leopard geckos): 5.9'' x 4.72'' x 3.74''
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 08-26-2020 at 01:09 AM.
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    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    You're welcome!

    What about trying out that large terra cotta hide I mentioned awhile ago. It's only ~$25. Well worth the price if it increases Odin's comfort to the point he's no longer self-mutilating.

    My leo uses this terra cotta hide all the time! She alternates between her warm dry hide and this warm humid hide. This terra cotta humid hide retains a semi-constant humidity level without any effort on my part. My leo's former humid hide was often dry, quite dry in fact. Perhaps the terra cotta hide with the basin on top will make Odin more comfortable as his skin heals. You don't have anything to lose.


    Method #6 -- Proactive Method
    Here's an excellent proactive approach! A LARGE terra cotta cave with a basin on top will keep your leo's humidity higher 24/7. Since the humidification cave is made from clay, colors vary some. Use this cave + an 8 ounce water dish for your leopard gecko.
    Thanks ! I was looking at that and Iím going to buy it.
    It looks like they only have the medium size so I contacted the seller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odinsmom View Post
    Thanks ! I was looking at that and Iím going to buy it.
    It looks like they only have the medium size so I contacted the seller.


    Definitely wait until they have the large terra cotta OMEM hide back in stock. That's the one to buy.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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