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    Hello!

    Last weekend, I believe it was Sunday, I changed my leo's tank a little. I have one of those insertable backgrounds and he loved to hide behind there, but I decided to seal it off because it was getting hard to clean back there. Ever since he's been a little weird, not eating a whole lot and I've only noticed one poop that looked loose and had some mealworm chitin in it (I feed him mealworms and crickets). The past couple days he's actually been more interested in food, but I still haven't seen any poops.

    I've given him two baths this week to try to help him along, still nothing. Tonight I noticed during the bath he blew bubbles out of his nose twice. I hoped maybe it was just because he was in the bath, but I don't know. It is a little cold in his room so I've considered moving him into my room, but I have my cresties there and I don't want them getting sick. He was fine before when he was hiding behind the background, I don't see why he would suddenly not be getting enough heat. I added another small heat lamp too just in case.

    He's still very alert, friendly, and bright-eyed when I take him out. A little skittish but he's still young, I've only had him a couple months. He doesn't seem sluggish or anything, though he does spend all his time hiding. Not sure if I'm just missing it when he comes out or if he really stays in his hide all day.

    Should I take him to the vet? How do I know when it's time to take him?

    Any help is really appreciated!

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    Please share some background info to help us out. Perhaps your heating is off?

    1. How old is your leo?
    2. What dimensions is the enclosure?
    3. How are you heating the enclosure?
    4. What is the warm end temp underneath the warm dry hide as measured by the probe of a digital thermometer?
    5. What is the cool end temp as measure by the probe of a digital thermometer?


    If you need a digital thermometer, many pet stores carry Zoo Med's for about $10. Please don't trust analog (circle) thermometers.
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    He's 4 months old, I believe the tank is around 30" x 12" x 12", he has a 100w bulb and now an extra smaller bulb, I wanna say maybe 25w, the warm end is about 80 degrees and the cool end is about 70 degrees. I thought his warm side was higher before this to be honest, I tried moving the probe under the light and it wasnt as hot as I thought ��

    I have some little blocks in there that tend to get pretty warm so I moved those directly under the bulb, but he never seems to leave his hide so I don't know if he's getting that heat. I'm thinking I'll go out today and get a heat pad for him, I know those are better. It just gets so cold in the room he's in unfortunately...I'm going to see if I can move him into a warmer room soon. I'm just a little confused and worried because our other leo has a hot spot of around 85 degrees (during the winter) and she's doing just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnotaurus View Post
    He's 4 months old, I believe the tank is around 30" x 12" x 12", he has a 100w bulb and now an extra smaller bulb, I wanna say maybe 25w, the warm end is about 80 degrees and the cool end is about 70 degrees. I thought his warm side was higher before this to be honest, I tried moving the probe under the light and it wasnt as hot as I thought ��

    I have some little blocks in there that tend to get pretty warm so I moved those directly under the bulb, but he never seems to leave his hide so I don't know if he's getting that heat. I'm thinking I'll go out today and get a heat pad for him, I know those are better. It just gets so cold in the room he's in unfortunately...I'm going to see if I can move him into a warmer room soon. I'm just a little confused and worried because our other leo has a hot spot of around 85 degrees (during the winter) and she's doing just fine.
    These low temps may be causing his health issues. The sooner the heat is up to snuff, the sooner his health will improve.
    1. Please let me know what type thermometer you're using: digital or analog (circle-type).
    2. What are the rooms temps (highs & lows) where his enclosure sits? Heat mats can only do so much.


    I highly recommend ordering an 11 x 17 Ultratherm heat mat for your 20 gallon long. That will NOT be overkill! Ultratherm heat mats have superior coverage. Don't settle for a Zoo Med heat mat. Reptile Basics or the Reptile Supply Co have the best prices on Ultratherms. You will also need a thermoststat (i-Power) to keep the heat mat within ideal ranges.

    Reptile Basics: (336-308-5767) Also carries Ultratherm 11 x 17 inch heat pads/mats. Still $22 each as of October 2020.

    Reptile Supply Company (Lodi, California): 916-226-4089 https://www.reptilesupplyco.com/8-products
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    [Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins withOUT D3 source
    Ultratherm 11 x 17 heat pads = $22 here too in October 2020.]
    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C).

    Place the thermostat's probe and a digital thermometer's probe together right on top of the substrate underneath the warm dry hide. If you use a UTH + a CHE you'll need 2 separate thermostats, because ground and air temperatures are substantially different.

    • Warm dry hide ground temperature: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) inside a leo's warm dry hide.
    • Warm humid/moist hide: Place the humid hide 100% on top of the heat mat. Keep temperatures similar to the warm dry hide.
    • Cool dry hide ground temperature: 70ish-75 F (21.1-23.9 C) Usually the cool end ground temperature matches the room temperature where the enclosure sits.
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) surface temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) surface temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the cool end

    Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7. If you wish, during the night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).
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    I have two digital thermometers in his tank. The room itself has been around 65-70ish degrees lately.

    I didn't see this before I went and bought a 20 gallon zoo med unfortunately! But thank you for the recommendation I will definitely keep that in mind!

    His temps are a bit higher now. Cool side is about 75 degrees, warm side has been fluctuating between 81-85 degrees, and the spot where his heat pad is at is about 95 degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carnotaurus View Post
    I have two digital thermometers in his tank. The room itself has been around 65-70ish degrees lately.

    I didn't see this before I went and bought a 20 gallon zoo med unfortunately! But thank you for the recommendation I will definitely keep that in mind!

    His temps are a bit higher now. Cool side is about 75 degrees, warm side has been fluctuating between 81-85 degrees, and the spot where his heat pad is at is about 95 degrees.
    You're welcome.

    Some pet stores let you return items when the stuff you buy doesn't work for your pet.

    Did you buy Zoo Med's 4 x 5 inch heat pad? That product "says" it's designed for 10-20 gallon enclosures. No way does it meet the enclosure needs for your 20 gallon long! At bare minimum a heat mat should cover 1/3 the enclosure's ground. One can't depend upon the "gallon" size to be an acceptable size for an equivalent leo enclosure.

    BOTH the warm dry hide and the warm humid hide should sit right on top of the heat mat.

    95*F is a bit too warm for your heat mat. Please note recommended temps in my former post.

    It's really necessary, both for your leo's comfort and safety, to plug your heat mat into a thermostat. A thermostat prevents your heat mat from exceeding the 88-92*F recommended highs.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 12-04-2020 at 07:26 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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