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    Is your Leopard Gecko going to be a juvenile or an adult? You can keep a juvenile in a 10 gallon terrarium for now as that should be a sufficient place for him to live. However, as he matures and gets older, usually around 18 months or a year, I would purchase him a 20 gallon long tank as he will likely reach a decent 8-10 inches and a 10 gallon is just too small for him. That's what I personally did with spotty. At first it was a ten gallon tank but later at around his age of 18 months, I bought him a larger terrarium and I can tell he seems much more happy now. He was showing the clear signs of boredom. For instance, he would scratch his glass tank and try to climb out by clinging on to the silicone which holds the glass. He also did not climb a lot of other things he had. He stayed in one place all the time and was EXTREMELY lethargic. At first I thought he was sick, but later it turned it he was just very bored. Once I had bought him the 20 gallon long tank, he was much more happy, climbed his toys, was not lethargic and explored a lot. As for the other items on the supply list, the substrate is perfect as it very much decreases the likelihood of him becoming impacted and is brown, which kind of mimics their natural environment. As for the hides, I would either purchase three hides, or purchase two but put a large log or something like that in the center of his tank which may serve as a hide as long as he can slip beneath it. Please do not make your cold/ moist hide the same hideout as this very much increases the chance of him catching a virus, becoming lethargic, and having upper respiratory infection. Please make your moist hide warm. You will need a: warm dry hide, warm moist hide- with moss or wet paper towel, and finally a cool dry hide. When I first purchased Spotty, I did the same mistake as making the cold hide moist. He later become very lethargic and would not leave a hide for up to 2 weeks at a time. So, I posted a thread about that and a few members replied to make his warm hide the moist hide. That's exactly what I did. He is no longer lethargic, doesn't stay in one hide no longer than a day, explores his tank much and seems much happier. What people USUALLY, not all, do is place the warm/ moist hide on the left, the warm dry hide in the center and the cool dry hide on the right. Many also place their water dish on the left side but I don't. The UTH should be sufficient for a 10 gallon but not for a 20 gallon. For a 20 gallon, you will need the 30-40 gallon tank UTH. The thermometer is good as it is digital and reads more accurate readings. However, you will need to check the ambient temperature for both sides of the tank so you will need another digital thermometer by Zoo Med. The water dish seems a tad too small. Do they have a medium one you could purchase? A thermostat I personally use is: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000NZ...IfL&ref=plSrch

    I've been using it for a while and it's pretty good. Also, what are you going to feed your Leopard Gecko?. If you haven't decided yet, I recommend either crickets or dubai roaches. They are both high in protein and calcium value. Have you read about how to gut load crickets? If you haven't, gut loading is the process of offering your feed food which is rich in protein fiber calcium and vitamins. You usually gut load a cricket or roach one to two days before feeding. The best things for gutloading can be- carrots, egg shells, apples, oranges and lemons. For crickets, you can buy commercial cricket food by Fluker's, which is what I do, but in addition also offer the crickets some fruits and vegetables. This will ensure your crickets are gut loaded the best. This also applies to roaches but they may require different feed. Have you purchased the calcium and multivitamin powders? If not, in order to ensure great health in your animal, you must powder their prey with calcium and multivitamin powders. You should leave a small dish, or a bottle cap well rinsed, inside the tank at all times filled with plain calcium with NO vitamin D3. You would also powder your animals prey with calcium WITH vitamin D3. For a juvenile you should do this twice a week and for an adult once a week. Then, you would powder the feed with multivitamins once a week no matter how old. Here are links to the best calciums and multivitamins:

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    Multivitamins- http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00076...Z1L&ref=plSrch

    Are you planning to also add some furnishings into the tank? As I said before, Leopard Geckos get bored fast and need plenty of items to have "fun". Consider buying a reptile hammock, some artificial plants, or wooden decor. That's it! Good luck with your Leopard Gecko.
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    I'm sorry you had to write that much! I've had my leopard gecko, Flynn, for a while now . I can't thank you enough for writing that though! I usually use this instead of creating a new thread for if I have more problems/need advice. Thanks, Spotty!
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    I don't think Flynn understands the process of taming him >_> lol. He must trust me because he comes out when hes eating, though. Besides when he is eating most of the time when I'm around him he just sits in his warm hide looking about or at me. What do you think I should do? Would this be an exception to skip that step that I was given about waiting for him to come to my hand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by logan1234 View Post
    I don't think Flynn understands the process of taming him >_> lol. He must trust me because he comes out when hes eating, though. Besides when he is eating most of the time when I'm around him he just sits in his warm hide looking about or at me. What do you think I should do? Would this be an exception to skip that step that I was given about waiting for him to come to my hand?
    How about sending @Zux a PM to see what he suggests? He might not have seen this post.

    Try handfeeding Flynn. Then gently scoot all your fingers underneath his body with your thumb wrapped around the other side. Then gently lift him out of his vivarium.
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    I'm going to try to do what you suggest first tonight since it is a feeding night, and then if It doesn't work I'll ask Zux for his suggestions.

    Also, Would wheat bran or oat bran work also for the mealworm substrate stuff instead of whole oats or rolled oats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by logan1234 View Post
    I'm going to try to do what you suggest first tonight since it is a feeding night, and then if It doesn't work I'll ask Zux for his suggestions.

    Also, Would wheat bran or oat bran work also for the mealworm substrate stuff instead of whole oats or rolled oats?
    I would not use whole oats, rolled oats, oat bran, wheat bran, or wheat germ for the mealworm substrate. Each of those contains too much phosphorus. If mealworms are fed a substrate with lots of phosphorus, what prevents them from passing along all that phosphorus to the geckos???

    I would use Purina Layena Sunfresh Crumbles poultry feed instead...the crumbles mix that does NOT contain diatomaceous earth. Just grind it up for your mealworms. Please phone them: 800-227-8941 and then get back to us with a link.

    Maybe you can buy just a small amount of that poultry feed? I buy 5 pound bags of Albers All Purpose Poultry Feed for my mealworm cultures and store it in an airtight Snaplock container. It's cheaper than Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food for the mealworm substrate. 1-2 days before you feed Flynn his mealworms, place the mealworms on ground ZM beardie food with collard greens or romaine lettuce in a shallow dish off to one side.
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    Default What to use for my mealworm substrate?

    We wish to approximate a 1.5-2.0 calcium : 1.0 phosphorus ratio with the insects and worms we feed our geckos.

    With the exception of Phoenix worms (BSFL) all the bugs and worms we feed our geckos are much higher in phosphorus than calcium. Feeding high phosphorus foods to the bugs/worms makes correcting that imbalance impossible. Phosphorus interferes with the absorption of calcium. That's why phosphorus-free supplements are best, or at least supplements with very low phosphorus content.

    We lightly dust bugs and worms to correct this imbalance. Dusting should not be the "whole" story. That's why it's best to feed bugs and worms the best dry diet possible 24/7 plus adding low phosphorus/high calcium veggies in a dish off to the side (for example: pesticide-free collard greens and dandelion greens).

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    On the 14 September 2015 I confirmed in person with an experienced Registered Dietitian that this USDA foods database provides excellent and very reliable information.

    I encourage anyone who is thinking about keeping mealworms, superworms, et cetera, on a bed of wheat germ, wheat bran, or oats to check out the ratios of calcium : phosphorus first! According to this USDA Foods List, wheat germ is hugely high in phosphorus and extremely low in calcium. Judging by those numbers how could we ever approximate the recommended 1.5-2.0 calcium:1.0 phosphorus levels that way?

    Wheat germ, wheat bran, and oats contain HUGE amounts of phosphorus in comparison to calcium. Check out the ratios! I do not recommend those as bedding for breeding mealworms.

    • Wheat Germ -- Show Foods
      calcium 39
      phosphorus 842
      ratio: 1 part calcium : 22 parts phosphorus

    • Wheat Bran -- Show Foods
      calcium 73
      phosphorus 1,013
      ratio: 1 part calcium : 14 parts phosphorus

    • Oats -- Show Foods
      calcium 54
      phosphorus 523
      ratio: 1 part calcium : 10 parts phosphorus
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    My dad says that we will maybe look into getting that this weekend. I looked up on a Purina retailer locator and it says we have some tractor supplies within 30 miles that sell Purina products. (nothing can ever be near us >_>). I'll see if my dad can call them this week or weekend to see if they have the Purnia stuff.

    As for Flynn, I hand fed him 2 roaches and tong fed him 3 more. It was scary since they were small, I could of been bit easily. I tried to hold him after either his last or second to last roach and he went back into his hide when I tried and seemed to not like it. I'll give Zux a PM and see what they think.
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    Purina Layena Plus Omega-3 SunFresh Recipe Poultry Feed - For Life Out Here This is what I found. I have not been to a tractor supply yet to see if they carry this and I'm in the same boat as you, the closest ones are 30-40 minutes away but I live in the city and those are in the middle of bum no where.
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    There is one around 12 miles and one around 20 miles away that says on the website that It's in stock. My dad says we might be that way this weekend so we will possibly check that store. To make sure before we go, I'll have him call the phone number on the website
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