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    Ugh, that just irritates me. All this money I'm wasting on products that I'm later finding out aren't up to par. I also have invested in a lot of equipment, and for the time being, I really feel like I should reign in the expenses; but that is such a good deal for a tank! XP

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    I've dropped about $60 in the last 2 days on the tank, black light bulb, dubia roaches, hornworms, screen top for the 20. Now I have to buy another heat pad once I get the refund back from the other one.
    "Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference." ~ Winston Churchill

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    Also if you don't want to buy hides from the pet store, I have made 2 of mine out of the plastic food storage containers.
    Revamping food storage containers.
    This is the thread where I showed how I made them look more appealing and Ziggy loves his dry hide. Just put his warm moist hide in there tonight so he hasn't critiqued it yet.
    "Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference." ~ Winston Churchill

    “I’m being extremely clever up here and there’s no one to stand around looking impressed! What’s the point in having you all?”-The 11th Doctor.

    1.0.0- Leopard Gecko (Ziggy)
    1.0.0- Crested Gecko (Axel-The Frogman)
    0.1.0- Guinea Pig (Brownie)
    B. dubia, T. molitor, M. quinquemaculata
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilou View Post
    I am dusting with calcium powder with D3 and I have been since I got her. They don't stick to mealworms well but they do stick to crickets. I just bought a BIG container of calcium plus D3, since the manual I got did not say excess D3 was bad, or good. It's Zoo Med Repti Calcium.

    I am also gut loading my feeders with Fluker's high calcium cricket feed, fresh apples and potatoes.

    The thermostat is set to 90. I just edited my previous post. I will go ahead and move it.

    I have bought a leopard gecko manual and been searching online, watching videos quite a lot! Always more to learn!
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilou View Post
    Ugh, that just irritates me. All this money I'm wasting on products that I'm later finding out aren't up to par. I also have invested in a lot of equipment, and for the time being, I really feel like I should reign in the expenses; but that is such a good deal for a tank! XP
    Hi ~

    A warm welcome to Geckos Unlimited!

    Some big box stores accept returns if their supplies do not meet your new pet's needs. So you could return them and buy better ones. Then Lilou could have a 20 long from the beginning.

    Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 is what I use. I also use and recommend Zoo Med's plain (no D3) Reptivite multivitamins. Just get the "normal" size containers, because there's an expiration date on each container.

    Too much D3 is as bad as too little D3.

    "Generally" I recommend Repti Calcium with D3 2x per week (not on every bug or worm) and wee bit of Reptivite 1x per week (again not on every bug or worm). If you also wish plain calcium carbonate for juvenile leos, get the NOW brand calcium carbonate sold at health foods stores for humans. It's a better deal. Calcium carbonate does not expire.

    However, the above recommended dosage depends upon what you feed the insects and worms 24/7. They need a balanced dry diet as well as a high calcium, low phosphorus veggie on the side like collards. Some GU keepers have had good success using Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food for that dry diet. Then I'd reduce the D3 to 1x per week and the plain Reptivite to 2x per month.

    This Zoo Med adult beardie food is better than Fluker's Hi Calcium Cricket Food.

    Have you the HerpStat Intro+? How do you like it?
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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Thanks Elizabeth! It's good to be here. Thank you for the information; very good to know! I think I have been over-supplementing her. When I saw her eating at the pet store, I noticed that the crickets were not dusted, and so I was worried that they had not been supplementing at all. I also noticed that she is a bit shaky when she walks, and I read that that can be a sign of calcium deficiency. Maybe that's just how she moves though. I have been dusting cricket with Calcium + D3 and putting a pinch of vitamins in with the mealworms, and I have dusted crickets with the repti-vite once since I brought her home 2 weeks ago. I'll go ahead and reduce supplementing with the calcium powder.

    I really like the Herpstat Intro+, it definitely gives me peace of mind that Lilou is staying warm, and there are safety controls in place if something bad does happen, (I don't want anything like my house burning down or Lilou dying). It does the job of keeping the temperature steady and it's right on the mark, but I don't have a temp gun so I can't be 100% positive. Most likely more trust-worthy than the thermometers I bought with the dial and the one that came with the starter kit... recommend it.
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    I noticed that the crickets were not dusted, and so I was worried that they had not been supplementing at all. I also noticed that she is a bit shaky when she walks, and I read that that can be a sign of calcium deficiency.
    Sadly a very common assumption. Dehydration itself which is quite common can cause shaking or muscle spasms. Pretty much anything that interferes with absorption can cause it including inappropriate temperatures, parasites, infections, kidney disease, thyroid disease, etc. Therefore, the underlying cause is what needs to be corrected. Hope this makes sense.

    You can also see a sudden mild shake for simple reasons such as they stepped in a puddle and didn't like it. Good luck with Lilou !
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    Hmmm, well, I don't know about her thyroid or anything, but from the looks of her poo, she is hydrated, and I think she is warm enough. It's not real shaky, just a little bit.

    Thank you everyone for all of your warm wishes and support!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilou View Post
    Thanks Elizabeth! It's good to be here. Thank you for the information; very good to know! I think I have been over-supplementing her. When I saw her eating at the pet store, I noticed that the crickets were not dusted, and so I was worried that they had not been supplementing at all. I also noticed that she is a bit shaky when she walks, and I read that that can be a sign of calcium deficiency. Maybe that's just how she moves though. I have been dusting cricket with Calcium + D3 and putting a pinch of vitamins in with the mealworms, and I have dusted crickets with the repti-vite once since I brought her home 2 weeks ago. I'll go ahead and reduce supplementing with the calcium powder.

    I really like the Herpstat Intro+, it definitely gives me peace of mind that Lilou is staying warm, and there are safety controls in place if something bad does happen, (I don't want anything like my house burning down or Lilou dying). It does the job of keeping the temperature steady and it's right on the mark, but I don't have a temp gun so I can't be 100% positive. Most likely more trust-worthy than the thermometers I bought with the dial and the one that came with the starter kit... recommend it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket4u View Post
    Sadly a very common assumption. Dehydration itself which is quite common can cause shaking or muscle spasms. Pretty much anything that interferes with absorption can cause it including inappropriate temperatures, parasites, infections, kidney disease, thyroid disease, etc. Therefore, the underlying cause is what needs to be corrected. Hope this makes sense.

    You can also see a sudden mild shake for simple reasons such as they stepped in a puddle and didn't like it. Good luck with Lilou !
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    Hmmm, well, I don't know about her thyroid or anything, but from the looks of her poo, she is hydrated, and I think she is warm enough. It's not real shaky, just a little bit.
    How is the urate...pure white? That's usually about 1/3-1/2 the size of the feces.

    Did you buy plain (no D3) Reptivite?

    Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 and the plain Reptivite also contain calcium.

    If you use up the Flukers' dry diet, I'd go with
    2x per week Repti Calcium with D3 lightly dusted
    1x per week Repitvite very lightly dusted

    If you switch to Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food do
    1x per week D3 Repti Calcium + 1x per week plain calcium
    2x per month no D3 Reptivite

    Maybe a light calcium dusting 2x every week (total dusting) will decrease the shakiness you see.

    Always have fresh water in your leo's vivarium.

    How about getting a yellow Zoo Med digital thermometer with a probe to verify the Herpstat's settings? I tape both probes together and leave them on the floor of the warm dry hide 24/7. That's the place I choose to monitor the belly temperatures a leo feels.
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Her urate is pure white. Usually it's about 1/3 to maybe 1/4 of her feces. A couple days ago she had one watery poo, but its back to normal.

    I got the reptivite without D3. And the calcium with. I've been dusting every day as I feed her about 4 bugs a day, although today I think she pigged out and ate about 3 small crickets and maybe 4 mealworms. I thought she was going to explode!

    I always do have fresh water, and I removed the calcium dish.

    I just have the thermometer/hygrometer near her warm side and it reads about 80-85. I decided to stop using the day lamp because I was told it was bad for her eyes, so I just use the night lamp during the day now and I have recently started turning it off at night now that she has the UTH and herpstat set up.

    Also, where I live it's 54 degrees and 93% humidity right now and it's 9:30 pm.
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    I live on Oregon's north coast. The room temperature where my leo's vivarium sits is 70*F with 52% RH right now. She always sheds perfectly!
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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