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    so just got back from the vet....

    the good news is she doenst think its gout as the swelling isnt on the articulations, she suspects an old fracture that healed the way it did...this would make sense since we have all see then state of calypsos tail when I brought him home.....

    so thats a HUGE weight off my chest!

    the bad news is the swelling is probably here to stay..... but as long as it doesn't hurt him or impede him from properly hunting/eating im cool with that..... and who knows with time how the wound will evolve...

    Roxanne on the other hand....I told her she hasnt eaten in three days, she touched her stomach and said there is a stool on the way but that she feels no impaction....so there again good news.... now roxanne isnt anorexic but she isnt "plump" either so she suggested force feeding her.....I personally think thats a terrible idea, but if push comes to shove I may just have to accept the idea....

    she gave me this "laxative" oil...im suppose to put a couple drops on her food for the next week to help her stool...

    age was impossible to determine but she thinks Calypso is a young male (as did we)...I asked her about the whole UVA/B story and she said it would not hurt to provide it and in fact recommended it.....

    what else?.....I think thats pretty much it, Roxanne and Calypso were the show of the vet cabinet and I was asked to send them pics for their up coming website.... ^_^
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    Good job ALL! Will you be sending their mug shots for the vet's website?

    Roxanne on the other hand....I told her she hasnt eaten in three days, she touched her stomach and said there is a stool on the way but that she feels no impaction....so there again good news.... now roxanne isnt anorexic but she isnt "plump" either so she suggested force feeding her.....I personally think thats a terrible idea, but if push comes to shove I may just have to accept the idea....

    she gave me this "laxative" oil...im suppose to put a couple drops on her food for the next week to help her stool...
    How about placing a drop or two of the laxative oil on Roxanne's nose? Make sure she stays hydrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    How about placing a drop or two of the laxative oil on Roxanne's nose? Make sure she stays hydrated.
    thats what i was thinking.....

    the vet said i should be dusting her food with calcium (without D3) every feeding and with d3+multivitamins twice a week....

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    and ya will be sending them pics
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    yyyaaassssss!!! roxanne just ate a nice soft white dubia covered in zoomeds D3 calcium....ppphhheeww!!!

    if she is eating and crapping normally im not going to give her any medication.....

    but now I need your folks help...

    UVA/B yay or nay?....forget this question ill stick with nay....

    calcium without D3 every feeding then multivitamins and calcium with D3 twice a week...yay or nay?

    im leaning on just supplementing twice a week with d3
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    You can use UVB, if you choose to provide the light, you would just need to dust with plain calcium. @JIMI uses UVB with her gecko, but she also has a 4ft long viv, he's also a giant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swisswiss View Post
    yyyaaassssss!!! roxanne just ate a nice soft white dubia covered in zoomeds D3 calcium....ppphhheeww!!!

    if she is eating and crapping normally im not going to give her any medication.....

    but now I need your folks help...

    UVA/B yay or nay?....forget this question ill stick with nay....

    calcium without D3 every feeding then multivitamins and calcium with D3 twice a week...yay or nay?

    im leaning on just supplementing twice a week with d3
    @cricket4u uses UVB lighting for her leopard geckos. She keeps her leopard geckos in minimum 4 foot long enclosures with many hides to dodge excessive UVB rays if necessary. If you scroll through my Leopard Gecko Caresheet, you will find a succinct post listing what cricket4u actually uses. Maybe you or Jess can find it! Post 55 gives you several links regarding UVB lighting.

    I hope that JIMI will stop by soon. Like Jess mentions JIMI uses UVB for her giant leo Theseus.

    that your Zoo Med supplements arrived! Did you get Zoo Med's plain (no D3) Reptivite multivitamins too?

    The weekly supplement schedule you have suggested is too much for any leo in good health! Both Zoo Med's no D3 Reptivite and Zoo Med's D3 Repti Calcium contain precipitated calcium carbonate.

    Just lightly dust the insects and worms with any supplement. Just like dusting powdered sugar upon a cake. The frequency of the supplements highly depends upon the actual dry diet (with high calcium, low phosphorus veggies to the side) that you feed the feeders 24/7.

    Have you thought about a dry diet for your feeders in addition to the veggies you've been using?

    Hilde shares this
    CALCIUM - excess:
    "Excess calcium in the digestive tract can hinder absorption of Vitamin A and D (we won't worry about E & K here). MBD is often considered to be caused by a shortage of calcium, but can happen even though there is ample calcium available. If there's not enough Vit D available, either stored in the liver or absorbed via food/supplements, then there won't be enough calcium absorbed. If you suspect a calcium shortage, it's easy to increase the amount available by dusting more often, even to the point of 'icing' the bugs with calcium, all of which just puts more calcium into the intestines but allowing less and less Vitamin A & D to be absorbed.... a vicious circle. The result is a gecko with possible MBD (even if it's on calcium substrate and gets calcium supplement), and a severe shortage of Vitamin A & D.

    And so it continues.... more calcium, less vitamin A & D."
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    thx for the info liz, its calcium with D3 so I realize if i go down the UV road ill have to get plain calcium.....the bearded dragon natural food arrived as well so im feeding that as dry food to my roaches and mealworms..... the multi vitamins have not arrived yet

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    • Use Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3 1x per week. Lightly dust it on half the crickets or dubia, not every one.
    • Use plain (no D3) Zoo Med Reptivite lightly dusted on crickets or dubia every other week or 2x month. Maybe only half of them.
    • Use some plain precipitated calcium carbonate (purer than oyster shell calcium)

    As long as you feed the Zoo Med Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food (or an equivalent good quality dry diet) 24/7 with high calcium, low phosphorus veggies off to the side, I suggest this schedule:

    Monthly Schedule for Leos under 1 yo

    Week 1:
    Crickets or dubia>Monday- D3 Repti Calcium
    Crickets or duba>Tuesday
    Mealworms>Wednesday
    Crickets or dubia>Thursday- no dusting
    Crickets or dubia>Friday
    Mealworms>Saturday- plain calcium carbonate
    No food or free choice>Sunday

    Week 2:
    Crickets or dubia>Monday- D3 Repti Calcium
    Crickets or duba>Tuesday
    Mealworms>Wednesday
    Crickets or dubia>Thursday- plain (no D3) Reptivite
    Crickets or dubia>Friday
    Mealworms>Saturday- plain calcium carbonate
    No food or free choice>Sunday

    Week 3:
    Crickets or dubia>Monday- D3 Repti Calcium
    Crickets or duba>Tuesday
    Mealworms>Wednesday
    Crickets or dubia>Thursday- no dusting
    Crickets or dubia>Friday
    Mealworms>Saturday- plain calcium carbonate
    No food or free choice>Sunday

    Week 4:
    Crickets or dubia>Monday- D3 Repti Calcium
    Crickets or duba>Tuesday
    Mealworms>Wednesday
    Crickets or dubia>Thursday- plain (no D3) Reptivite
    Crickets or dubia>Friday
    Mealworms>Saturday- plain calcium carbonate
    No food or free choice>Sunday

    Week 5
    Start the cycle over with week 1
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    I'm about to amend the above feeding schedule. Sorry about that.

    Based upon these measurements, both leos should be eating daily.

    Calypso
    7.8 inches (20 cm) total length
    42 grams

    Roxanne
    6 inches (18 cm) total
    23 grams

    EDIT:
    Did you buy plain CaCO3? Maybe health foods stores in Switzerland carry the NOW brand. We can get that in the USA. It's pure calcium carbonate for much less than the reptile containers.

    Click: Amazon.com: NOW Foods Calcium Carbonate, 12 Ounces: Health & Personal Care
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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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