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    Hello everyone! I’m in the process of moving from Utah to Western New York, and thought I would share the journey. A few months before this move I searched the internet and found an underwhelming amount of sources dealing with driving their animals cross country. This drive will take us 4-5 days, I would much rather fly all of my animals but I do have a cat that has severe anxiety and would not do well on planes (Not to mention people would hate us after all the crying and panting). Shipping reptiles is not an option for us either, and thus we drive. I hope this serves as a guideline for others in the same boat as us, as this is also only a few days into the trip I am open to criticism and/or questions!

    Day One - [8/17/2017]

    The Situation:
    Our car is pulling a trailer with the necessities for our new home, we have stored a few essential food items as well as our bags of clothes and a box of pet related items. The gecko enclosures are also packed well and are in the trailer, towed behind, all this was done to:
    A.) Free up space in the car for geckos and cats.
    B.) Tow our trailer which needed to get here somehow.

    As for the pets, in the back we have a 10 gallon tank with Dubia Roaches (This was left in the car whilst we went to the hotels due to temps being safe levels of 60°F-70°F range. ALWAYS CHECK THE WEATHER FIRST.). We also stored mealworms in their bins, also left in the car. Then we had pet carriers and a cat litter box*. The total amount of animals is 3 cats, 2 Leopard Geckos and 1 Crested Gecko (6 Pets).

    *The cats were allowed to free roam only during the times we were driving down a mostly secluded highway. They always stay in the back (Away from the geckos and drivers!) and mostly settle down to sleep.

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    Prepping:
    Leopard geckos - Cohabitating Females
    •Cage was cleaned completely the night before cages were packed, the substrate changed to paper towels for easy cleanup. The day after cleaning all hides were wrapped and packed inside the cages (Which were put into boxes) and then packed into the trailer.
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    •Fed 2 nights before we left to allow for digestion. (Crossing my fingers, no regurgitations yet!)
    •It is worth noting I am not feeding them at all until we get to our destination as I am sure it will only stress them out further if they regurgitate due to them getting motion sick.
    •Finding pet friendly hotels, though I doubt this would be a huge risk to not go to a pet friendly hotel IF you only bring geckos/small reptiles.
    •Air conditioned the car to maintain roughly 70°F.
    •Setting up up a critter carrier with 2 hides, paper towel substrate and water bowl. (Although we ended up using a large box, giving them more room.)
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    Crested Gecko - 8 Grams Unsexed
    •Cage was cleaned completely the night before cages were packed. The day after cleaning all hides were wrapped and packed inside the cages (Which were put into boxes) and then packed into the trailer.
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    •Feeding and misting schedule was left as normal due to Crested Gecko’s being a little less tolerant of lack of food than other geckos. The food and water/misting is still provided at hotel stays.
    •Finding pet friendly hotels, though I doubt this would be a huge risk to not go to a pet friendly hotel IF you only bring geckos/small reptiles.
    •Air conditioned the car to maintain roughly 70°F.
    •Setting up a large critter carrier with a long plant as well as a water and food bowl.
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    Everything above will only appear on this post, everything else below will be the standard formatting for the rest of the days I post.
    Leopard Geckos - Arcalis & Lizzie


    To begin I popped them into some old cheese cake containers, which were washed prior to use (They also had holes for air). The bottom had a layer of paper towel for easy cleanup. They stayed in a dark place, away from any drafts, in their containers for the duration of the drive and moved to the temporary, larger containers during overnight stays at the hotel. At all stops we either had one person in the car with air conditioning, or we moved the geckos out of the cats reach, or vice versa, and left for 3 minutes tops (Only if temperatures outside did not exceed 80°F).
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    At the hotel they stayed in the closet (In their temporary enclosures) to provide darkness and quiet as well as safety from the cats as they wandered the hotel room. They were given fresh, purified water as well. The two of them mostly wandered their enclosure during the night, I doubt they slept, but this means they are quite sleep deprived as I was watching them all day in the car and I didn’t see them sleep either (Understandable since this is very stressful). There has been no signs of poop yet either, all poops were on time and looking perfect prior to my departure so I am not too worried yet. I have been keeping handling to a minimum, only to one enclosure to another as I don’t want to stress them out any further.


    Crested Gecko - Bongo


    First I put him in his mini travel container and misted once or twice as humidity will remain longer in an enclosed space. He was near the Leopard Geckos however I have practiced quarantine prior to this, he hasn’t seemed to mind them as they are quiet and mostly sit still the entire drive. I set up his little container same as the Leopard Geckos and paid special attention to the temperatures with him since he more sensitive.
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    Upon moving him to his temporary enclosure at the hotel I did notice a small white blob which I believe is urate. I provided food and water although I didn’t see him eat and there was no lick marks in his food dish (I put in the usual amount, which is small, but I like to know he eats, usually it is 3/4ths of the way clean). Although he is active, I am sure the lack of appetite is due to stress. Other than that everyone is fine.

    Thanks for reading if you did!

    Edit: Special thanks to @Zux for helping me out with enclosures during our trip!
    Last edited by PoppyDear; 08-19-2017 at 12:44 AM.
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    I read your entire message!
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Follow you home"

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    Day Two - [8/18/2017]


    Today the geckos finally looked like they managed to get some shut eye! No poop or regurgitated meals, right now everyone is in the bathroom safely away from the cats. They are wandering around a bit as well, I do know Bongo (Crested Gecko) managed to sleep a little in the car, I snapped a cute photo too!
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    Leopard Geckos - Arcalis & Lizzie


    They haven’t slept at all during the car ride, currently they seem to be pretty active! I have found putting it paper towels a bit pointless as they just crawl under them, no poop or messes makes my job a lot easier though!
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    Crested Gecko - Bongo


    We had a bit of a mishap today, his critter carrier cracked when my we were getting it out of the trailer (Let’s just say someone tripped..) and it has some sharp edges, thankfully on the outside.

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    Nothing he can get out of but it just means that I have to buy a new one! Luckily we have another smaller carrier just in case. Just a reminder to be careful!

    Other then that he has been extraordinarily active in his temporary cage, though he isn’t taking food just yet!
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    Are the paper towels in their mini-travel containers (the clear former cheesecake containers) moist or dry? Since leos love to hide, larger paper towels would certainly give them the opportunity.

    Make sure Arcalis and Lizzie don't start climbing and reach the handholds of their cardboard box.

    Oops! Sorry your Kritter Keeper got cracked. I've had various mishaps with those. They're certainly brittle.

    Your keen formatting makes your thread very easy to follow!
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Excellent work and a very well written piece, thanks for posting this, Poppy !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Are the paper towels in their mini-travel containers (the clear former cheesecake containers) moist or dry? Since leos love to hide, larger paper towels would certainly give them the opportunity.

    Make sure Arcalis and Lizzie don't start climbing and reach the handholds of their cardboard box.

    Oops! Sorry your Kritter Keeper got cracked. I've had various mishaps with those. They're certainly brittle.

    Your keen formatting makes your thread very easy to follow!
    I have kept the paper towels dry in both Leopard Gecko travel cages while keeping the paper towels moist in the Crested Gecko's container.

    I have also added a full strip of paper towel, I have placed it in a way that the sides are covered, the digging (To get under the paper towels) has halted after I have done this, although the towels were loose enough that they could if they liked. I hope this has made them feel more secure!

    As for their box, I was a bit worried about that as well, but based upon the height of the handholds, and the lack of anything beneath them to climb upon, I felt it was OK. They are close to a foot away and I always kept it on the ground in a closed in area. I also had the extra Kritter Keeper, I do need to get another one!

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    Excellent work and a very well written piece, thanks for posting this, Poppy !
    Thank you Shane and Elizabeth for your constructive criticism and compliments!




    Day Three - [8/19/2017]


    Today we have traveled to another hotel, during the morning before we started our drive I did find that Bongo pooped a healthy poop! Although his urate was quite small, leading me to believe he is dehydrated, I make sure to practice my misting and dry out schedule. I think because he is eating less of his CGD (He actually ate a little this [Day 3] night!) and possibly not drinking much. No abnomal behavior or anything inside their travel containers, everyone seems to be okay! The geckos went from their containers to the hotel as normal, staying in the hotel bathroom today.
    Leopard Geckos - Arcalis & Lizzie

    I have still found no poop or regurgitated meals from these two. They have finally succumbed to sleep during the drive, though it is mostly "raised-head-with-one-eye-closed sleeping". I believe they felt more comfortable with the bigger junks of paper towel!

    At night they are still active, I hope they are drinking! I would really like to see a poop right about now, when I get to my destination and do not see poops I may consider a bath.

    Crested Gecko - Bongo


    Bongo has been sleeping well during the drives and eating some of his CGD at night (Though not as much as he usually does). I hope he ups his liquid intake however or I may need to make him a suana when we get home, hopefully he will perk up then (Haven't seen him fired up lately). He pooped once as mentioned previously and I could barely see the urate, another reason he may need a suana.

    He has been much more fiesty when it comes to putting him in his travel container! The first few times he was very calm, I believe he now associates the container with a long trip in a small space. I have almost squished his toes (Luckily I didn't!) a few times, I have had to pop him in the center which is difficult when a gecko sticks to you like tape, and then snap on the lid.

    **This is a few days late, I was busy as you can imagine but it accurately recounts the details of this day.
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    Day Four - [8/20/2017]


    We have arrived home! After a trouble free seven hour trip I have unpacked enclosures and set them up, popping everyone in immediately.
    Leopard Geckos - Arcalis & Lizzie


    Still no poop! I just plugged in their thermostat and UTH so I hope once they have a chance to suck up some heat they can pass some waste. But I have also given them a meal as soon as we returned, they snapped that up, Arcalis watched my every move as I picked out her meal! Arcalis ate hungrily while Lizzie was less enthusiastic, but that is understandable.

    I am debating whether to bathe them, but I fear stress. I think if they do not poop in the next two days I will give them a rehydrating bath and practice my impaction tips I have used once before (During a time I lacked a thermostat and temps were too low.). What do you think?

    Crested Gecko - Bongo


    Bongo is great! He ate a roach the first time I gave him some and almost licked his CGD bowl clean! I have kept misting and have my eye out for poop. I do have trouble spot cleaning because his poops are difficult to find, it just means I clean his enclosure more often.

    I often find his poops by looking for bright white urate, if I don't see that in a day or so I will probably try the sauna.


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    I have a plan of action for the next few days and a few things to consider:
    •There is a 2 hour time change (Forward) but the light of course, is the normal hours. I am hoping this doesn't bother everyone too much, I think it just feels like I am feeding/doing maintinence later than usual. I am having trouble with the time change as well!
    •Everyone is off their normal feeding/dusting schedule (I need to pick up some pure calcium for my regime as well) so I need to slowly transition them back normally.
    •No geckos (Besides Bongo, the Crested Gecko) have pooped yet, and I am seeing signs of dehydration. If in 1-2 I still see small urates and/or no poop I think I will make them all saunas to rehydrate them and help them to pass their poop.
    •I need to get a new moist hide for Arcalis and Lizzie (Leopard Geckos) which will help with hydration.
    •Arcalis and Lizzie also need new substrate, I need to find some tile at Home Depot as well as a bit of playsand to go underneath.

    I think I have covered everything, soon I hope things go back to normal for them at least! Anyways, if you have any advice or questions I am still open to them!

    Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoppyDear
    ......I am debating whether to bathe them, but I fear stress. I think if they do not poop in the next two days I will give them a rehydrating bath and practice my impaction tips I have used once before (During a time I lacked a thermostat and temps were too low.). What do you think?......
    Lizzie and Arcalis may start drinking now that they've reached their new home. Give them a couple days before deciding to give them saunas.

    You've done an incredible job detailing your pets' cross country journey. I almost feel like I was in the backseat!
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    It has been two days, Bongo is eating well and pooping!

    I assume the girls are drinking their water now, I have mostly left them alone. They are a bit less active as well, but I have seen them on the warm side. No poop from either of them, waiting another day!

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    I have good news and bad news, I have one poop from Arc and Liz, waiting on one more! It was a bit lumpy but it was solid, the urate however was a bit small.

    Lizzie shed without me even knowing, absolutely perfect! The only issue I have had is that Arcalis has shed and it was dreadful! Shed stuck on the bottom of her tail, foot and head. I helped her with her head and kept her moist hide very humid. I also pulled off some from her tail and left them in the moist hide, she seems to have eaten them. I *think* I have gotten almost all of it off her toes but I am not 100% certain. At this point I decided a bath was necessary, I soaked her and gave her a little belly massage for good measure. I managed to get most if not all of the shed off her toes.

    The girls have taken food willingly and I know for certain one pooped. Neither have stiff bellies or dark spots either. I am not very concerned about poop at the moment, more so the shedding issue. Arcalis has had no trouble shedding in the almost one year that I have had her, none on her toes, face and much less tail! I am attributing it to stress and possibly dehydration. I am keeping an eye on those toes and making sure she is making use of her moist hide.

    Hoping things go back to normal soon!
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