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    I'm going to use a exo terra 18x 18x12 for my new leo and try to make it somewhat naturalistic. I intend on using grasses and succulents and for substrate a mix of natural ceramic tiles and excavator clay. For this size tank would a 12x8 UTH work and I would put it under the tile part. The excavator clay will be part on warm side and cool side. Am I on right track?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Don View Post
    I'm going to use a exo terra 18x 18x12 for my new leo and try to make it somewhat naturalistic. I intend on using grasses and succulents and for substrate a mix of natural ceramic tiles and excavator clay. For this size tank would a 12x8 UTH work and I would put it under the tile part. The excavator clay will be part on warm side and cool side. Am I on right track?
    An Exo Terra 18 x 18 x 12 is much too cramped for a leo upgrade. A 24 x 18 x 12 is better.
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    An 18x18x12 has more square inches than a 20 gal aquarium and I see folks say a 20 gal is a good size. My leo is hatchling/juvenile yet so it I was counting on it being enough room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Don View Post
    An 18x18x12 has more square inches than a 20 gal aquarium and I see folks say a 20 gal is a good size. My leo is hatchling/juvenile yet so it I was counting on it being enough room.
    A standard 20 gal long aquarium will give you approximately 53.125 square inches more than your 18x18.
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    True a 20 long but not 20 gal and I did not see 20 long in many recommendations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Don View Post
    An 18x18x12 has more square inches than a 20 gal aquarium and I see folks say a 20 gal is a good size. My leo is hatchling/juvenile yet so it I was counting on it being enough room.
    Quote Originally Posted by C. Don View Post
    True a 20 long but not 20 gal and I did not see 20 long in many recommendations.
    Trust the info you're getting on this thread.

    A 20L (30 x 12 x 12) is an extremely popular and economical size for leos. Even a juvie will feel quite at home in one. By 6 mo an enclosure upgrade is totally welcome. Imagine his space in the wild!

    Floor space:
    20L: 30 x 12 = 360 square inches
    Exo Terra: 18 x 18 = 324 square inches
    Exo Terra: 24 x 18 = 432 square inches
    Exo Terra: 36 x 18 = 648 square inches

    A 20 standard tank has more height than you need. The thought and care one puts into creating a naturalistic environment ought to last a while.
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    Click: Zoo Med Excavator Clay Custom Build......swisswiss (Jeff) -- 27 Jan 2016
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    So for a 20 long will a 8x12 UTH be adequate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Don View Post
    So for a 20 long will a 8x12 UTH be adequate?
    Not really.

    Get an 11 x 17 inch heat mat instead. It won't be overkill. Ultratherm makes that size. It's more reliable than the 11 x 17 inch heat mat Fluker's makes. Amazon and the Bean Farm (877-708-5882) carry them. A friend of mine tells me she's never had an Ultratherm fail!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Not really.

    Get an 11 x 17 inch heat mat instead. It won't be overkill. Ultratherm makes that size. It's more reliable than the 11 x 17 inch heat mat Fluker's makes. Amazon and the Bean Farm (877-708-5882) carry them. A friend of mine tells me she's never had an Ultratherm fail!
    +1, I can’t say enough good things about the ultratherm. More efficient, safer, cheaper. 100% of my vivarium’s floor is covered in ultratherms. However, if you get an ultratherm, you’ll have the added expense of insulating it to the bottom of the vivarium. Unlike less safe UTHs that need air space to lessen the risk of fire, ultratherms require insulation under them.

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