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    Quote Originally Posted by Geecko123 View Post
    okay so, will one feeding of cal with D3 one day per week and one multivitamins without D3 2 days later work untill I can get cal without D3? with the window won't the thermostat turn the mat off when ever it gets above 80? then she won't overheat.

    I got a pic of her asleep, she is so adorable.Attachment 46315
    Citrine is one cute leo!

    It's really important for Citrine to get off to a good start! These 3 things are super important!!!
    1. Make a warm dry hide for Citrine that is much more private that the one she has now.
    2. Get her some plain calcium carbonate for the 3rd day (per week) of her dusting schedule.
    3. You mention the thermostat turns off at 80*F. Do you mean 90*F?


    Make a more private warm dry hide.
    Thanksgiving is right around the corner. Do you guys use Cool Whip for holiday desserts or some other food that comes in a opaque container?
    • Use some none-see-through plastic container to make a warm dry hide similar to her humid hide.
    • Use the lid as the floor.
    • Cut a small entrance right at the base and right above the floor.
    • When you have extra $, maybe get one of these. It's my favorite warm dry hide. My leo has one. It's her favorite hide too.
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      /\ cave in front left hand corner of enclosure

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      /\ Exo Terra's Medium Cave
    • A warm dry hide like that with only a single entrance will let Citrine feel more secure.


    About supplements & Schedule 124:
    Citrine is growing quickly! In order for her bones to be strong, it's important to provide ample calcium carbonate @ 3 feedings per week until she's about 12 months old.
    Zoo Med's Repti Calcium without D3 costs maybe $7 at PetCo
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    NOW plain calcium carbonate from a health foods store is another option.
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    Don't use Zoo Med Reptivite multivitamins (with or without) D3 @ more than 1 feeding per week! My vet also recommends just a wee pinch of Reptivite only that often.

    If you must, use Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 @ the 3rd dusted feeding per week until you can get Zoo Med's Repti Calcium without D3.

    Choose convenient dusting days. What's important is to alternate days and not dust back-to-back. Do something similar to Mondays: Repti Calcium with D3; Wednesdays: Reptivite without D3; & Fridays: Repti Calcium with D3.


    The 3rd issue is the thermostat's setting:
    Set your thermostat at 91*F. Thermostats automatically turn off the heat mat when it reaches a certain setting. In the case of potential overheating by the sun beyond 91*F, thermostats provide no cooling.

    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C):
    • 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) ground temperature right underneath a leo's warm dry hide
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

    Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7.


    Does all that make sense?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside a vivarium <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    thanks a lot, she looked quite full, I have been feeding her every night, do I need to feed her 2 times or keep her at 1.

    she loves her warm hide I think she likes it with 2 entrances that way she feels she can escape, I tested with two hides one was more private the other was her bark hide they were both the same temp but she prefered the bark hide.

    I'll be getting a thermostat today, so far I have been doing it manually and it has stayed those temps but as soon as I get the thermostat installed it is a lot less work for me.

    Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, got it. I will keep her at that until I can get some cal without D3, I can only find a 12 oz contanier of calcium without D3, so should I get the 12 oz or get offbrand calcium with some extra ingredients, I think I will be able to use the 12 oz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geecko123 View Post
    thanks a lot, she looked quite full, I have been feeding her every night, do I need to feed her 2 times or keep her at 1.

    she loves her warm hide I think she likes it with 2 entrances that way she feels she can escape, I tested with two hides one was more private the other was her bark hide they were both the same temp but she prefered the bark hide.

    I'll be getting a thermostat today, so far I have been doing it manually and it has stayed those temps but as soon as I get the thermostat installed it is a lot less work for me.

    Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, got it. I will keep her at that until I can get some cal without D3, I can only find a 12 oz contanier of calcium without D3, so should I get the 12 oz or get offbrand calcium with some extra ingredients, I think I will be able to use the 12 oz.
    You're welcome.

    Keep Citrine at 1 feeding per day.

    Digital thermostats are a lot less work. Once it's set verify the temps with the probe of a digital thermometer like the yellow one Zoo Med sells or the equivalent.

    Only buy pure precipitated calcium carbonate, not the other brand with added ingredients. 12 ounces will last a very long time! Zoo Med's Repti Calcium without D3 would be ideal. The NOW brand some health foods stores carry will be just as good. Pure calcium carbonate never expires.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside a vivarium <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    thanks I was worried it would expire.

    Right now I have her thermostat set at 87 I did not want to set it to 90 because I thought she would over heat but if it would be the right temp than I'll change it.

    before I had the tiles her cool side was at aout 65 but I got my tile in today and it has stayed an even 72 and the warm side stays at about 84 to 85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geecko123 View Post
    thanks I was worried it would expire.

    Right now I have her thermostat set at 87 I did not want to set it to 90 because I thought she would over heat but if it would be the right temp than I'll change it.

    before I had the tiles her cool side was at aout 65 but I got my tile in today and it has stayed an even 72 and the warm side stays at about 84 to 85.
    Are you measuring ground temperature with a probe or circle/analog thermometer?

    • May I ask what dimensions your heat pad is?
    • Which brand of thermostat do you have?

    Most of us use thermostats that are not exact like proportional thermostats are. Proportional thermostats cost maybe 4x more!

    72* F is ideal for Citrine's cool end.

    87*F is too low for the thermostat's setting. Is your 84-85*F reading a ground temp right on the substrate underneath your leo's warm dry hide? If so, that's too cool to properly digest her food.

    Back to 91*F for the thermostat. Your temps need to rise a little above 91*F before the thermostat turns off. Then temps will fall 2-3*F before the thermostat turns on again. That puts the temperature range from 88*F (possible low) to 94*F (possible high). <<<< That range is ideal!

    Please reply to all of these questions. That will help us get Citrine's temp just right.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 11-18-2018 at 01:31 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside a vivarium <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    My mat is a zoo med 11" by 12 or 13" at first I got the 20 gallon size but it was to small so I got a 30 - 40 gall and the warm side has stayed at about 89 to 90. I have 2 thermometers and the probes are on the ground
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    I am have ordered cal without d3 and it will arrive on tuesday, so funny qeustion but do you think she would possibly use a hamster ball?

    last night I feed her and she ate one so I will see if she eats more tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geecko123 View Post
    I am have ordered cal without d3 and it will arrive on tuesday, so funny qeustion but do you think she would possibly use a hamster ball?

    last night I feed her and she ate one so I will see if she eats more tonight.
    Citrine will thank you too for plain calcium carbonate without D3! I hope the powder is nice and white.

    Thanks for asking about hamster balls! Forgive a copy & paste from my care sheet.

    Hamster/rodent wheels are UNSAFE for leopard geckos.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 11-19-2018 at 04:22 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside a vivarium <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    thanks, i have seen images of leos on hamster wheels and that is why I asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geecko123 View Post
    thanks, i have seen images of leos on hamster wheels and that is why I asked.
    You're welcome.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside a vivarium <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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