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    Hello! I am a new leo owner and after doing some more research after buying my initial setup, I am tossing out my bright lamps and going to start using a CHE in conjunction with the heat mat I already have in his enclosure. This is because my house is very cold and I want to make sure he's getting enough heat and I heard bright lights can stress my lil guy out.

    That being said, I need a thermostat since I am a student and in class 5 hours a day but need to make sure my leo won't burn to death while I'm gone!!

    So I have a CHE and my UTH, but now need that thermostat. Wondering a few things...

    1. There's pulse thermostats, dimming thermostats, etc. What type do I need?
    2. Recommendation for one that you use with your CHE or UTH?
    3. Do I need more than one thermostat for each or will there be one I can purchase for both?

    Thanks much, I'm new at this leo mom thing and the people at Petsmart were the opposite of helpful.

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    A warm welcome to Geckos Unlimited and to leos!

    Please share additional info.
    1. What size/dimensions is your leo enclosure?
    2. Is the leo enclosure glass or wood?
    3. What side/dimensions is your heat mat?
    4. What are the usual temps in the room where the enclosure sits? Usually the cool end of the enclosure = room temp?
    5. A 10 gallon enclosure is just too small to combine overhead heat with a heat mat.

    Since you plan on using thermostats for the heat mat and for overhead heat, you'll need 2 separate thermostats since each will be set at different temps.

    I like DIGITAL thermostats. They are easier to set. I use Hydrofarm's Jump Start MTPRTC for my leo.
    • Pulse proportional thermostats are more expensive.
    • Dimming devices = rheostats. They aren't thermostats.


    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C):
    • Warm end ground temperature: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) underneath a leo's warm dry hide
    • Cool end ground temperature: 70ish-75 F (21.1-23.9 C) Usually the cool end ground temperature matches the room temperature where the enclosure sits.
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

    Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7. If you wish, during the night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).
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    My enclosure is 10gal so thatís interesting that Iím not getting enough heat. It is also a glass enclosure! Itís an 8w heat mat so Iím not super sure about the dimensions but it takes up roughtly half the bottom of the tank. The usual temps in my house range from 60-70 degrees. But basically right now either itís too hot or too cold, no in between. and since the bright light is stressful, i did want to switch to a ceramic but if youíre saying thatíll be too much, Iím not sure what to do! I donít want my little guy to freeze but maybe if I try a thermostat with the current lighting situation itíll be okay? I was sticking with a 10gal until my guy got a little bigger... That, and the PetSmart lady was extremely pushy and made me feel like a neglectful pet owner unless I bought a starter kit, which only came in 10gal lol.

    Usually if I turn off the light when it gets too hot, it balances out. So maybe a thermostat for my pad and light for now until I get the bigger setup? When itís cold in there, temps drop to about 80 on the hot side and then when itís too hot it hits 93-94ish... so itís just tough to monitor and thatís why I need a thermostat so maybe thatíll help in my current setup?

    Thanks so much for the warm welcome



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    A warm welcome to Geckos Unlimited and to leos!

    Please share additional info.
    1. What size/dimensions is your leo enclosure?
    2. Is the leo enclosure glass or wood?
    3. What side/dimensions is your heat mat?
    4. What are the usual temps in the room where the enclosure sits? Usually the cool end of the enclosure = room temp?
    5. A 10 gallon enclosure is just too small to combine overhead heat with a heat mat.

    Since you plan on using thermostats for the heat mat and for overhead heat, you'll need 2 separate thermostats since each will be set at different temps.

    I like DIGITAL thermostats. They are easier to set. I use Hydrofarm's Jump Start MTPRTC for my leo.
    • Pulse proportional thermostats are more expensive.
    • Dimming devices = rheostats. They aren't thermostats.


    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C):
    • Warm end ground temperature: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) underneath a leo's warm dry hide
    • Cool end ground temperature: 70ish-75 F (21.1-23.9 C) Usually the cool end ground temperature matches the room temperature where the enclosure sits.
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

    Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7. If you wish, during the night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).

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    You're welcome. Wooden enclosures retain more heat than glass enclosures. In the UK and the in the EU they're "an item".

    Big box stores like Petco and Petsmart accept returns when any purchase does not meet your leo's needs. Is that an option? With a 20 long: 30 x 12 x 12 inches high, you'll be able to provide a decent thermal gradient. Within a year an upgrade will be necessary anyway. With room temps between 60-70, you'll probably still need a CHE to somewhat warm the air. BUT your leo will have consistent belly temps with a thermostat. That's crucial for digestion.

    Even Zoo Med's 8 x 12 inch heat mat will probably not work alone with potential 60* lows. The cool end is just too low.

    Within a 10 gallon there's too much risk that the heat mat or the CHE could overheat even with a thermostats. There is NO room for your leo to escape! There are 15 gallons too. I recommend a 20 long. Your young leo will love all that space.

    Quote Originally Posted by superduperemmy View Post
    My enclosure is 10gal so that’s interesting that I’m not getting enough heat. It is also a glass enclosure! It’s an 8w heat mat so I’m not super sure about the dimensions but it takes up roughtly half the bottom of the tank. The usual temps in my house range from 60-70 degrees. But basically right now either it’s too hot or too cold, no in between. and since the bright light is stressful, i did want to switch to a ceramic but if you’re saying that’ll be too much, I’m not sure what to do! I don’t want my little guy to freeze but maybe if I try a thermostat with the current lighting situation it’ll be okay? I was sticking with a 10gal until my guy got a little bigger... That, and the PetSmart lady was extremely pushy and made me feel like a neglectful pet owner unless I bought a starter kit, which only came in 10gal lol.

    Usually if I turn off the light when it gets too hot, it balances out. So maybe a thermostat for my pad and light for now until I get the bigger setup? When it’s cold in there, temps drop to about 80 on the hot side and then when it’s too hot it hits 93-94ish... so it’s just tough to monitor and that’s why I need a thermostat so maybe that’ll help in my current setup?

    Thanks so much for the warm welcome
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Perhaps Iíll look at a return then. I was originally going to buy a 20gal tank alone and then they told me I needed light sources for my leo which I was like ??? because of the research I did and they said since it came with the calcium and all that, itíd be cheaper but it most certainly wasnít! Iíll look into that then. Thank you!

    Emily

    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    You're welcome. Wooden enclosures retain more heat than glass enclosures. In the UK and the in the EU they're "an item".

    Big box stores like Petco and Petsmart accept returns when any purchase does not meet your leo's needs. Is that an option? With a 20 long: 30 x 12 x 12 inches high, you'll be able to provide a decent thermal gradient. Within a year an upgrade will be necessary anyway. With room temps between 60-70, you'll probably still need a CHE to somewhat warm the air. BUT your leo will have consistent belly temps with a thermostat. That's crucial for digestion.

    Even Zoo Med's 8 x 12 inch heat mat will probably not work alone with potential 60* lows. The cool end is just too low.

    Within a 10 gallon there's too much risk that the heat mat or the CHE could overheat even with a thermostats. There is NO room for your leo to escape! There are 15 gallons too. I recommend a 20 long. Your young leo will love all that space.
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    You're welcome, Emily! Return the 10 for a 20 long: 30 x 12 x 12. Your leo will give you 2 thumbs up.

    I strongly recommend an 11 x 17 inch Ultratherm brand heat mat. They are top notch! That allows about 13 inches for the cool end. They are sold by Reptile Basics (336-308-5767; 11 x 17 inches = $22 and the Bean Farm (877-708-5882).

    Sometimes it's difficult being a newbie pet parent. However, the PetSmart employee needs some training.

    I suggest Zoo Med powdered supplements.

    Quote Originally Posted by superduperemmy View Post
    Perhaps I’ll look at a return then. I was originally going to buy a 20gal tank alone and then they told me I needed light sources for my leo which I was like ??? because of the research I did and they said since it came with the calcium and all that, it’d be cheaper but it most certainly wasn’t! I’ll look into that then. Thank you!

    Emily
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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Ok, I got the tank! Its 30x12, he's already exploring everywhere he has SO MUCH room. My clamp light and CHE and thermostats for UTH and CHE arrive tomorrow. I'll get an 11x17 heat pad in the exchange for my old supplies, do you recommend putting the CHE over the heat mat? My plan was the UTH on the right side, and the CHE over that to create that hot side. And then my thermostats come... So I set up the probe on the right side and set the temp so it regulates the CHE. And then I set up the little suction cup thing for the UTH thermostat on the right side as well? Just concerned about placement of everything. Making sure the thermostats work properly, don't fry my leo, etc!


    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    You're welcome, Emily! Return the 10 for a 20 long: 30 x 12 x 12. Your leo will give you 2 thumbs up.

    I strongly recommend an 11 x 17 inch Ultratherm brand heat mat. They are top notch! That allows about 13 inches for the cool end. They are sold by Reptile Basics (336-308-5767; 11 x 17 inches = $22 and the Bean Farm (877-708-5882).

    Sometimes it's difficult being a newbie pet parent. However, the PetSmart employee needs some training.

    I suggest Zoo Med powdered supplements.
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    See how your temps measure up by placing things like you've described. If not, you can always tweak something.

    Have you a digital thermometer with a probe to verify your thermostats' settings? Probes measure ground and air temps.

    Quote Originally Posted by superduperemmy View Post
    Ok, I got the tank! Its 30x12, he's already exploring everywhere he has SO MUCH room. My clamp light and CHE and thermostats for UTH and CHE arrive tomorrow. I'll get an 11x17 heat pad in the exchange for my old supplies, do you recommend putting the CHE over the heat mat? My plan was the UTH on the right side, and the CHE over that to create that hot side. And then my thermostats come... So I set up the probe on the right side and set the temp so it regulates the CHE. And then I set up the little suction cup thing for the UTH thermostat on the right side as well? Just concerned about placement of everything. Making sure the thermostats work properly, don't fry my leo, etc!
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 04-09-2019 at 03:46 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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