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    Quote Originally Posted by Marillion View Post
    I'm sorry to drag up this thread again Elizabeth. But I was doing some reading and I ran across this:
    https://zoomed.com/wp-content/upload...mp-2018-07.pdf

    It was a link from one of your posts on lighting. I am thinking now that I should not have bought the 5.0 Zoo Med mini bulb and should instead have bought the 10.0 mini bulb or the 5.0 regular size bulb based on the info in that sheet. I am not convinced Boop is getting enough UVB based on that data.

    Just to refresh what I have, it is a 20 gallon long Terrarium with a mesh top and the bulb is in an 8.5" reflective dome. I am also using an Arcadia Deep Heat Projector in another dome beside it (Heat projector is completely over the Warm side to the right and the light is in the middle. I did consider getting the Arcadia Shade Dweller pro but I don't think the fixture would fit properly over the terrarium without changing the fixture for the Heat projector.

    What is your opinion? One option would be to provide the Calcium with D3 2 or 3 times a month to compensate for the 5.0 Mini until next year when I purchase a 10.0 mini perhaps or a full size 5.0....

    I should also mention, although I addressed this post to Elizabeth I would welcome opinions by others as well! I'm just hoping to provide the best possible environment for our little guy.
    Yesterday I phoned Zoo Med and spoke with their product support specialist. We both agreed that Zoo Med's 10.0 Reptisun bulb would be too strong!

    For a 20 long enclosure (30 x 12 x 12 inches tall) she recommends either the bulb you have (Zoo Med's Repitisun mini compact fluorescent 5.0) or Zoo Med's standard compact fluorescent 5.0 bulb. As long as your leo "basks" within the yellow zone into the green zone (as per linked chart) he should be OK with a single dose of supplemental powdered D3 @ 1 feeding per month.

    Fran Baines, DVM, is sometimes on Zoo Med's team. Dr. Baines is also a reptile lighting "guru" on facebook.


    These days how often have you seen Boop soaking up UVB rays? How long does he stay put?
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    It is very common for them to simply expose a body part, usually the tail like this: at 13:17 https://youtu.be/CfSrVkFCyic Thanks to JTB.

    Zoo Med T5 5.0 MINI bulb

    I would replace this every 6 months because compact bulbs are known to decay faster. It will obviously cover a smaller area than the long tubes and so the placement matters. How about posting a picture?
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    Thank you very kindly both for the answers! Sorry for my delayed response. Initially, I thought since the Zoo Med chart showed the same amount of UV exposure at 12" for both the 10.0 Mini Fluorescent as for the 5.0 Standard Fluorescent bulb I thought they would both serve the same purpose. Also, since the Leopard Gecko hails from more of a desert rather than tropical habitat I really thought the 10.0 would be appropriate. But you took the time and effort to contact Zoo Med for me (thank you very, very much Elizabeth!) I have to follow the advice from experts. Since the 5.0 regular bulb doesn't seem very available in my area I was thinking the 10.0 Mini would also serve, but it appears not. I already ordered the 10.0 from Amazon and it is due to arrive today. I guess we should not use it...

    As to how often and how long Boop spends basking, it is really hard to say. I have observed him a couple of times the past two weeks for at least 10 minutes basking on top of a slate rock in his enclosure. Beyond that I am not sure as I don't have nearly enough time to observe him as I would like with our busy and hectic lives with all the sports our kids are involved in. Keeping him clean and well fed is the best we can do right now. Most every time during the day though, he stays put inside his warm hides. Temps as mentioned before: 33 C under his warm dry hide, air temp in warm side around 27-28C mid zone around 25-27. Cool zone air temp is 21-22C. Warm hide is mostly on the heated UTH side as is the humid hide. Using the Zoo Med Repti therm 30-40 Gallon undertank heater (12"x8") and using an Arcadia Deep Heat Projector. All on thermostats with thermometers in all 3 zones and humidity sensors on cool side and warm side. Ceramic tile throughout. I agree posting a picture of his enclosure would be a good idea. I will work on getting one posted later today or tomorrow if I can!

    Ultimately, I would love to purchase the viewing cam you posted about earlier Elizabeth. But considering it would cost about $50 here in Canada and we have had a lot of expenses lately I am not sure if we can buy that in the near future. Though now since I am really considering buying the Arcadia Pro ShadeDweller T5 UVB kit ($84 here in Canada with shipping) realistically the viewing cam will not happen anytime soon.
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    Hang onto the 10.0 mini compact fluorescent until you hear from me again.

    /\ I'll phone Zoo Med on June 4th to see what they say about your comparison of the 5.0 standard compact fluorescent with the 10.0 mini compact fluorescent @ 12 inches.

    Does Arcadia's Pro ShadeDweller T5 UVB kit list a minimum enclosure length?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Hang onto the 10.0 mini compact fluorescent until you hear from me again.

    /\ I'll phone Zoo Med on June 4th to see what they say about your comparison of the 5.0 standard compact fluorescent with the 10.0 mini compact fluorescent @ 12 inches.

    Does Arcadia's Pro ShadeDweller T5 UVB kit list a minimum enclosure length?

    Thanks Elizabeth. I have asked about my enclosure length with John Smith from Arcadia. I'll let you know what he says.
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    I received a reply from John already! Arcadia has some pretty great customer service. He helped me out with the deep heat projector as well a couple of weeks ago.

    Here is John's reply about the ShadeDweller fixture:

    HI,

    No, 30” if fine. The kit is 12” long, so using in a 30” viv will provide a nice gentle gradient from light and heat into cool and shade.
    .

    Best wishes.

    John Courteney-Smith MRSB
    Arcadia Reptile; Head of Science and Innovation


    Also to my question about the Deep Heat projector in an 8.5" dome over the warm area already:

    Yes, that’s fine, get it as snug up to the warm side as possible or reduce the dome size.

    But its still all fine. Or, put it front to back, all we are doing is creating a basking zone. You can use it lengthways or from front to back. Whatever suits your viv space.

    John Courteney-Smith MRSB
    Arcadia Reptile; Head of Science and Innovation.


    For reference Elizabeth, here is the link to the product page for the ShadeDweller. Shows effective distance and length of fixture:

    https://www.arcadiareptile.com/light...dweller-prot5/

    I am holding on to the ZooMed 10.0 Mini Flourescent Bulb for now. Per your instructions. To be honest, the ZooMed 10.0 would fit the enclosure better and be a bit more cost effective right now. But I want to do whats best for our little guy, and of course I do know the Arcadia ShadeDweller is a better product.

    Oh, and I am sorry I have not included a picture yet of the terrarium. My life is just so busy I completely forgot to take a picture last night. I promise the picture will be posted soon. I will try for tonight.
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    The wooden enclosure towards the bottom of the page is a very good example of how to use it in the safest way possible, an option. But please don’t replicate the decor(looking at it makes my skin hurt)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sg612 View Post
    The wooden enclosure towards the bottom of the page is a very good example of how to use it in the safest way possible, an option. But please don’t replicate the decor(looking at it makes my skin hurt)
    Not that my tank looks like that or that I was thinking of replicating it...but why does that setup make your skin hurt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marillion View Post
    Not that my tank looks like that or that I was thinking of replicating it...but why does that setup make your skin hurt?
    The thought of walking on all those twigs

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    Now THAT makes perfect sense. I didn't look closely enough at the picture.

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