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    Quote Originally Posted by Digs View Post
    Ever since I started the juvenile supplement schedule she would miss out on one or two feedings a week. She is 6-7 years old now isn’t she already mature at this point? Before I followed the advise from this forum I used to feed Mae every other day and I learned that she is not hard to fill, 4-5 insects tends to make her not want to eat a meal that’s only a day after. Dubai roaches do seem to increase her chance to deny eating. I tried Phoenix worms Saturday and she wouldn’t eat anymore than 3.
    What do you think about reducing the number of insects Mae eats per feeding, so we could keep the supplements on track till February? Another option is to follow Schedule 126 and dust a bit more heavily on the D3 day.

    Please post video updates on January 13th.

    This is pre-Schedule 156:

    Weekly Schedule 126 for Leopard Geckos 18 months old +
    (withOUT UVB)
    Early stage metabolic bone disease (MBD) problems include uneven (lopsided) gait, bowed limbs, belly dragging, and an underbite.

    • Crickets or dubia >> Monday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
    • Crickets or dubia >> Thursday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins withOUT D3
    • Optional: Mealworms or Phoenix worms >> Saturday - no dusting
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 01-07-2020 at 09:32 PM.
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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    What do you think about reducing the number of insects Mae eats per feeding, so we could keep the supplements on track till February? Another option is to follow Schedule 126 and dust a bit more heavily on the D3 day.

    Please post video updates on January 13th.

    This is pre-Schedule 156:
    Ok I’ll try just feeding her 2 insects every feeding and see if that works. I just bought some Mazuri better bug gutload and according to the study I posted on my gutload thread that increased the calcium in both crickets and super worms to optimal levels. I’m about to order some Mazuri hi calcium diet for the mealworms as that had the highest calcium increase for them. Should I adjust anything with my supplements because of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Is that Mazuri their gutloading formula? If so, as far as I know Mazuri hi calcium diet is ONLY meant to be fed for formal gutloading 24 hours prior to the insects being fed to the geckos. I would NOT use Mazuri hi calcium diet either for daily feeding or for a mealworm "bedding".

    I would not use Mazuri for that purpose unless you found a different formula. The Mazuri formula I know about force feeds calcium. I think it's better to give something easier on the gecko's body when they eat.
    Oh no I’m not using the gutload as daily bedding. I’m going to put the amount of mealworms I plan to feed Mae into a small separate container and feed them the Mazuri for 48 hours. Same with the crickets and superworms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digs View Post
    Ok I’ll try just feeding her 2 insects every feeding and see if that works. I just bought some Mazuri better bug gutload and according to the study I posted on my gutload thread that increased the calcium in both crickets and super worms to optimal levels. I’m about to order some Mazuri hi calcium diet for the mealworms as that had the highest calcium increase for them. Should I adjust anything with my supplements because of this?
    I'm confused. What do you mean by: Mazuri better bug gutload? Is it the same as Mazuri hi calcium gutloading diet?
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 01-07-2020 at 08:06 PM.
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    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    I'm confused. What do you mean by: Mazuri better bug gutload? Is it the same as Mazuri hi calcium gutloading diet?
    No they’re two different products. According to the gutload study Mazuri better bug increases calcium the most in crickets and super worms while the hi calcium increases it the most in mealworms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    I'm confused. What do you mean by: Mazuri better bug gutload? Is it the same as Mazuri hi calcium gutloading diet?
    Quote Originally Posted by Digs View Post
    No they’re two different products. According to the gutload study Mazuri better bug increases calcium the most in crickets and super worms while the hi calcium increases it the most in mealworms.
    Please link Mazuri Better Bug Gutload.

    By dusting Mae's feeders like Schedule 124 suggests (3 days per week) with Zoo Med's supplements, her calcium requirements will be very well-covered. Zoo Med's supplements contain generous amounts of precipitated calcium carbonate. Some similar products "advertised" for geckos are deficient in calcium.

    I seriously don't believe Mae needs either Mazuri or T-Rex. I think dusting 3x per week is all she really requires. We've gone back to an earlier schedule, because of the gait issues in your initial videos.

    When one uses a product like Mazuri hi calcium gutloading diet (or T-Rex Calcium Plus Food for Crickets), NO changes are generally made with any supplement you're currently using. I know of NO way to tweak supplements for particular vitamins or minerals. It seems counterproductive to do so. Doing so would seemingly counter the effectiveness of Zoo Med's supplements.

    I have heard from a very reliable source that too much calcium in a gecko's gut inhibits the absorption of the very nutrients we are feeding our geckos!
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 01-07-2020 at 10:17 PM.
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    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Please link Mazuri Better Bug Gutload.

    By dusting Mae's feeders like Schedule 124 suggests (3 days per week) with Zoo Med's supplements, her calcium requirements will be very well-covered. Zoo Med's supplements contain generous amounts of precipitated calcium carbonate. Some similar products "advertised" for geckos are deficient in calcium.

    I seriously don't believe Mae needs either Mazuri or T-Rex. I think dusting 3x per week is all she really requires. We've gone back to an earlier schedule, because of the gait issues in your initial videos.

    When one uses a product like Mazuri hi calcium gutloading diet (or T-Rex Calcium Plus Food for Crickets), NO changes are generally made with any supplement you're currently using. I know of NO way to tweak supplements for particular vitamins or minerals. It seems counterproductive to do so. Doing so would seemingly counter the effectiveness of Zoo Med's supplements.

    I have heard from a very reliable source that too much calcium in a gecko's gut inhibits the absorption of the very nutrients we are feeding our geckos!
    https://www.mazuri.com/mazuri/reptil...e=&cclcl=en_US
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    I recommend continuing on with your current powdered supplement plan until Mae recovers. To me it seems like "little-by-little" is the best way to correct the MBD we see. I don't know whether adding UVB right now would "shock" her system??? I think it's "safer" just to wait.

    The UVB bulb will be brighter than your current 75 watt incandescent that you've dimmed.

    Remember, Digs, it's Zoo Med's Reptisun mini-compact 10.0 bulb that you want -- just like Marillion uses for his leo. For that I totally recommend either Zilla's 8.5 inch diameter dome Marillion linked or the similar Fluker's 8.5 inch diameter dome I use. I do not recommend the deep dome fixture. We are grateful to Dr. Fran Baines for sharing that advice with Marillion! I think Fluker's has been changing over to reflective coatings on all their domes.
    Does it have to be a dome fixture? For where I have Mae's tank I can't get very wide domes. Can the fixture have the bulb sideways like this? https://www.amazon.com/Zoo-Med-Natur...ustomerReviews
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    I "think" it should be fine. But let's see what some of the other members say.
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