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    Hi! I just got my leopard gecko, Mira, today. She's my first reptile, and I did a lot of research before getting her. However, a lot of things and worries showed up as soon as I got her today. I just have a few questions about what I need to do with her. The breeder told me she is about 9 months old and that she is much smaller than the others she was born with. I assume I need to feed her every day, but I'm not exactly sure about a schedule to feed her. I have zoomed calcium with and without D3 and zoomed multivitamins without D3. I have read a lot online about how to dust her food and schedules, but everybody says something different, so I'd like to hear what everyone else does. Then I have a few questions about the heating in my tank. I have her in a 20 gallon long with a zoomed heat pad under it. My warm side reads 91 on the thermometer and thermostat, but my cool side is 69. I don't know how to get it any higher with just the heat mat. Also, I live in Mississippi where the humidity is crazy. I can't keep the humidity down in the tank, so I was looking for tips for that. I really want the best for her, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, I have her on paper towels right now because I didn't get the substrate in the mail before she got to my house.
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    Welcome aboard! Mira is off and running. Your warm dry hide ground temp is perfect @ 91*F! So is your 20 long!

    1. Please share a full-length photo of Mira.
    2. How long is she from snout to tail tip?
    3. What is your humidity inside her 20 long?
    4. Have you an analog or a digital hygrometer?
    5. See whether she'll eat every day. At ~9 mo she may be ready to cut back to 3 feedings per week. In that case still follow Schedule 124. Just feed her Mondays, Wednesdays, & Fridays.


    Weekly Schedule 124 for Leopard Geckos 0-12 months old
    (withOUT UVB)
    Early stage metabolic bone disease (MBD) symptoms include uneven (lopsided) gait, walking on one or both "elbows", bowed limbs, belly dragging, and an underbite.
    The Reptile Supply Company based in Lodi, California stocks Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins withOUT D3.
    Feed lightly dusted prey 3x per week.

    • Monday > > crickets or dubia lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
    • Tuesday > > mealworms, superworms, or black soldier fly larvae (Phoenix worms) > > no dusting
    • Wednesday > > crickets or dubia lightly dusted with pure precipitated calcium carbonate withOUT D3 (Zoo Med's Repti Calcium or NOW human brand calcium)
    • Thursday > > mealworms, superworms, or black soldier fly larvae (Phoenix worms) > > no dusting
    • Friday > > crickets or dubia lightly dusted with Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins withOUT D3
    • Saturday > > mealworms, superworms, or black soldier fly larvae (Phoenix worms) > > no dusting
    • Sunday > > no food or free choice > > no dusting
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    Thank you! The only picture I have of her is the picture the breeder sent me because she went straight into her hide when I got her. Iíll try to get more today. Iíll also try to get her length today when I get back home. The humidity was around 60% which I know is way too high but I live in Mississippi where the humidity is outrageous. And the hygrometer at the moment is just a cheap analog combo with a thermometer for ambient temp by ZooMed. I was thinking about getting a low uvb light for her. Would that be beneficial or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbwilliams00 View Post
    Thank you! The only picture I have of her is the picture the breeder sent me because she went straight into her hide when I got her. I’ll try to get more today. I’ll also try to get her length today when I get back home. The humidity was around 60% which I know is way too high but I live in Mississippi where the humidity is outrageous. And the hygrometer at the moment is just a cheap analog combo with a thermometer for ambient temp by ZooMed. I was thinking about getting a low uvb light for her. Would that be beneficial or not?
    You're welcome!

    Actually ideal ambient humidity for a leo ranges between 40-60%. A digital hygrometer would be better.

    UVB is beneficial for leopard geckos. The UVB bulb that's recommended for a 20 long (30 x 12 x 12 inches tall) is Zoo Med's ReptiSun 10.0 mini-compact fluorescent bulb. UVB strength depends upon the Ferguson Zones.

    If you use UVB, we will adapt Schedule 124.

    That bulb should be housed in a 8.5 inch diameter (shallow) dome hood like this one. Aim the mini-compact bulb directly downwards over the warm end, NOT at any angle.
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    She was moving around a lot when I tried to weigh and measure her. The best I got is that she’s about 6 inches (sorry if you’re from literally anywhere but the US...we can’t seem to swap) and she weighed 16 grams (I assume that is low for her age) I watched her walk around a bit and just looked her over. She does have an underbite. I’m not exactly sure what bowed legs look like. I can’t figure out how to post a picture but I’m trying! With MBD, is there any chance of bouncing back with correct feeding/calcium/vitamins?

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    This is the picture from the breeder Mira_breeder.jpg

    She is a bit skinnier than she was in this picture and more dull in color, but I assume that could be because she might shed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbwilliams00 View Post
    She was moving around a lot when I tried to weigh and measure her. The best I got is that she’s about 6 inches (sorry if you’re from literally anywhere but the US...we can’t seem to swap) and she weighed 16 grams (I assume that is low for her age) I watched her walk around a bit and just looked her over. She does have an underbite. I’m not exactly sure what bowed legs look like. I can’t figure out how to post a picture but I’m trying! With MBD, is there any chance of bouncing back with correct feeding/calcium/vitamins?
    "Bowed legs" resemble a horseshoe.

    Did you know that she had issues? The amount of recovery from MBD depends upon the severity of the problem.

    Please share a video at least a minute long of Mira walking about. I'll post instructions on how to post it later today.

    16 grams is very small for a leo who's nearly 9 months old.
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    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    I am currently uploading a video to youtube and I will post the link when it is finished. The breeder did tell me that she was not growing as much as the others, but that is all he said. He didn't say that she possibly had MBD. I don't see bowed legs, but you are the expert in this She stayed in her cool hide almost all day. I fed her when she began to walk around. Just today, I fed her a few meal worms. She didn't really have a problem, and she ate four of them. I say this because the breeder told me he thought she was so small because she didn't eat when he offered, but she ate with me just fine. I just hope she will eat with me every time and begin to pick up some weight.

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    Here is the link to the video https://youtu.be/ej1tiDnpP0w
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbwilliams00 View Post
    I am currently uploading a video to youtube and I will post the link when it is finished. The breeder did tell me that she was not growing as much as the others, but that is all he said. He didn't say that she possibly had MBD. I don't see bowed legs, but you are the expert in this She stayed in her cool hide almost all day. I fed her when she began to walk around. Just today, I fed her a few meal worms. She didn't really have a problem, and she ate four of them. I say this because the breeder told me he thought she was so small because she didn't eat when he offered, but she ate with me just fine. I just hope she will eat with me every time and begin to pick up some weight.
    Quote Originally Posted by tbwilliams00 View Post
    Here is the link to the video https://youtu.be/ej1tiDnpP0w
    See how Mira's left front leg folds under as she walks? That makes her walk lopsided. That's beginning MBD. Perhaps she can recover. An underbite could possibly also be related to MBD. Either of those issues might = a free leo, a "rescue".

    IF you take another video, place Mira on a level surface (carpet or floor) outside her enclosure.

    Consider keeping her on textured ceramic tile instead of Eco Earth's coco fiber substrate. Coco fiber substrate will increase Mira's risk of impaction.

    Vitamin D3 is fat soluble. That means it sticks around in a leo's body for about 1 week. During that week D3 metabolizes any calcium received during that week. At Mira's D3 feeding (Mondays), dust ALL feeders with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3. Powder sticks better to crickets than it does to mealworms.

    ***** Next time you feed Mira lightly dust ALL her bugs or worms with Repti Calcium with D3. Then get back to the regular schedule.

    I suggest feeding her daily, if she'll eat that often.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 04-04-2020 at 03:12 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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