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    Hello!

    I've had my 2 year-old tangerine for 2 weeks now, and I'm figuring things out as best I can thanks to all the research I did prior.

    As far as I can tell, she seems to be enjoying her enclosure, as I can see evidence of her having explored different areas. She utilizes her cold and hot hides pretty regularly and seems to have sampled her calcium dish (at least I hope so, because she's definitely gotten it all over her tile patio). At the one week mark, I found pee and poop, albeit in her calcium dish, so that's a good sign.

    My only points of concern right now are feeding and taming. I realize two weeks is still pretty early to tell, so I'm more wanting to make sure I'm on the right track and doing the right things for her.

    I have yet to get her to eat or be interested in food, even after confirming she's peed and pooped at least once. She's definitely been drinking water, as I've seen the levels drop too much for it to have just evaporated. The breeder I got her from had her on mealworms from a bowl, and while I haven't tried that approach yet, I have tried to place both a mealworm and a hornworm in her enclosure for her to hunt, just so I could confirm she's eaten. She has yet to go after either, but I've been offering every couple of days.

    As far as taming goes, I feel I've made mistakes that may have set her back. I left her alone for 2 days before attempting to handle, as I had been getting mixed information on how long to wait. I lifted up her cool hide and gently used the scoop method to get her in one hand. She didn't freak out, but she obviously didn't care for it either, so I decided to replace her and her hide and leave her alone. I have not attempted to handle her since then, as more research seemed to favor getting them used to you first. So I spent the rest of the week just sitting and talking to her without opening the enclosure. She has started to poke her head out of her hide occasionally to look at me, but she won't come out of her hide and into the open if she sees me. There was one incident where she was unintentionally spooked a this past weekend where I had been up late in the other room watching a show with my roommate. When I finally went back to my room, where her enclosure is, to go to bed, I turned on the light and noticed her out in the open, which was great! She was obviously very wary and caught off guard, so I kept it slow to try not to spook her and reached for my tv remote. That was apparently enough, because she bolted into her hot hide and retreats if she sees me. No hissing or scrambling, just very shy. As of this week, I have started placing my hand in the enclosure and talking to her. She obviously won't leave her hide and sinks to the back when she sees it, but I've only been doing it for 2 days, so I haven't expected anything yet.

    Sorry for the long read!! What do y'all think? Is there anything I should change up? Or should I just stay the course?

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    I think you've made a good start. Consider getting her a bowl for mealworms. If you just put one down, it may not be that noticeable and can easily hide. If she's used to the bowl she may not really pay attention to a single mealworm. If she's a juvenile, it's normal for her to hide most of the time and to be very wary of being picked up. I bred geckos for 13 years and to be honest, I would pick up the babies every time I fed them to get them used to being handled. Some didn't mind and others never enjoyed it. I would recommend making a little cave with your hands and letting her sit in that. It will be warm so she should like it. Just pick her up and hold her a little above the floor of her cage so if she jumps out she won't get lost. Hopefully she will gradually warm up to you holding her.

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    Thanks for the feedback! I've put a bowl of mealworms in there for her, so I'll see if that helps her any.

    As for taming, she's 2 years old, so definitely not a juvenile. Since she's still not sold on being out of her hide when I'm in the room with her, would it be best to wait until she's more comfortable being out and about before handling? Or would it be better in the long run to go all in and start handling regardless?

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    I usually start handling once the gecko is reliably eating. Not everyone would do it that way.

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    Just wanted to take a second and throw in a quick update here on Goji. This past Thursday she ate a hornworm! I've seen her take notice of her mealworm bowl, but I don't think she realized what it was. It was pretty big, so the worms were just pupating inside. I've gotten her a smaller, shallower dish with the hope she'll notice her food better. Here's a pic of her enclosure as well!

    As far as taming, it's been baby steps. She still won't come near me when she sees me, but now if I come into the room while she's out, she won't bolt. Now she'll watch me for a good few minutes before deciding she can walk back into her hide, not run.20200530_193552.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gojira View Post
    Just wanted to take a second and throw in a quick update here on Goji. This past Thursday she ate a hornworm! I've seen her take notice of her mealworm bowl, but I don't think she realized what it was. It was pretty big, so the worms were just pupating inside. I've gotten her a smaller, shallower dish with the hope she'll notice her food better. Here's a pic of her enclosure as well!

    As far as taming, it's been baby steps. She still won't come near me when she sees me, but now if I come into the room while she's out, she won't bolt. Now she'll watch me for a good few minutes before deciding she can walk back into her hide, not run.20200530_193552.jpg
    I hope Goji gets increasingly comfortable with you. You are making progress! After all you are like a giant in these circumstances.

    She definately has an enriched environment! Where does she usually hang out? Have you seen her on the white ledges on the left? Are her patio tiles slate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    I hope Goji gets increasingly comfortable with you. You are making progress! After all you are like a giant in these circumstances.

    She definately has an enriched environment! Where does she usually hang out? Have you seen her on the white ledges on the left? Are her patio tiles slate?
    Hey thanks so much! Yes, definitely progress! Just yesterday, I had my hand in her enclosure per usual, and she actually poked her head a little out of her hide to look at it for a minute before shrinking to the back of her hide like she usually does. So that was huge!

    I’m very proud of her environment, so thank you! She doesn’t come out when I’m in the room, but I catch her out if I’m out for a while and come back in. So I don’t see all the places she goes to, but from what I do see, her favorite spots are the tile patio and temple hide (her UTH covers that entire section of tile and temple), and the cooler cave next to it under that basking arch! I used a bunch of slate rocks to cover the gap between the arch and the log hide behind it, so it makes for a nice big cave inside she can hunker down in. There’s a small gap in the back she likes to crawl out of to get in top of the log and then onto the rock platform connecting it so she can hide in the leafy plant. I think she wants to be a crested gecko sometimes lol.

    I don’t think the tiles are slate in her patio, but I’m not sure what they are. They’re just little unglazed kitchen tiles I picked up from Lowe’s and washed thoroughly a few times to get all the store dirt off. They conduct heat really well, though! As for the ledges, they’re brand new, so I don’t think she’s wanted to check them out just yet.
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    I've had my 2 year-old Goji for a little over a month now, and progress on building her confidence is very slow but steady. In getting her accustomed to me and building her trust, I've come across something I think may help her, but I want to run it by some more experienced owners and make sure it wouldn't be doing her more harm than good.

    I've attached a picture for reference! (Please excuse the mess, I've been cleaning in preparation for company.)

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    Currently, her enclosure faces the bedroom door, so she sees every time it opens and every time I walk in. The door opening has been a bit of a trigger for her lately, as she locks up and makes for her hide any time she sees it move and sees me come in through it. I'm considering placing it against the wall adjacent next to the dresser, as there is plenty of room for it to go there. Against that wall, it would hide her from direct line of sight coming in through the door. The only downside is she would instead have full sight of my bed, and me in it at night. I worry that if she starts to see me at night, she may lose that confidence in exploring while I'm asleep.

    My questions are these:
    1.) Would moving her enclosure's view do anything more for her?
    2.) If it's a good idea to try, would the actual act of moving cause too much stress? (Whether it's keeping her in the enclosure while turning the table or handling her to put her in her carrier for a few minutes while I move the table)

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    Oh, and before anyone panics, there are no heat lights in that lamp. It keeps a compact UVB bulb that comes on for two hours in the morning/two in the evening and a black low wattage heat bulb (produces no light) that comes on for 3 hours during the day to raise the air temp slightly in her enclosure, as my room tends to be colder.

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    I think it's an idea worth trying. You're not going to be moving around a whole lot when you're sleeping, and the kind of moving you do is different from what happens when a door opens. I'm always in favor of trying something, observing the results and either sticking with it or going back to the original plan.

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