New baby

[SpottedDragon]

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This little beast is my new addition - no name yet - but I had a quick morph question. I know I won't ever know what he/she is for sure as I don't know what the sire was (or that the dam was actually a mack snow) - but is "leucisitic mack snow" basically a "murphys patternless mack snow".
Leucisim is just a lack of pigments, so is the patternless gene the same as a leusistic gene as well?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...6/IMG_1547.JPG

[acpart]

It looks to me like a Mack snow. Any chance it's an albino? I'm not really into getting a discussion about leucitic with leopard geckos, maybe someone else wants to take it on.

Aliza

[SpottedDragon]

It looks to me like a Mack snow.
Aliza

I'm confused - my male is a mack snow and looks nothing like this little one. All the mack snows I've seen have spots - and he was black and white as a hatchling.

I honestly don't know if albino could be at play - eyes are black, not a hint of red - parentage is unknown. Dam was also up for a home and looked like a regular mack snow - pastel yellows, white tail, grey/black spots on her whole body, the clutch mate look like a regular normal leo. No one knows what the male was or looked like

[Geopard Lecko]

with out a doubt its a murphys patternless.. if i had to guess i'd say there maybe some albino or possibly blizzard at play as well.. im not fond of the usage of leusistic when it comes to leo's.. people toss it around too much for different morphs an it causes confusion..

[acpart]

The non albino Mack snows hatch out black and white as you mention. I guess the white with the beige/purple markings made me think maybe it was an albino. I haven't had much experience with patternless but when I hatched out Mack snow albino, they had the same white and beige/purple markings. The pictures on the leopard gecko wiki (Leopard Gecko Wiki) show the patternless albinos and even the mack snow patternless albinos as being more yellow, but most mack snows yellow up as they mature.
As for the solid black eyes, I hatched some eclipse albinos that also looked to have solid black eyes but when I shined a flashlight behind them (as I had been advised to do) I saw that they were actually red.

Aliza

[Geopard Lecko]

The non albino Mack snows hatch out black and white as you mention. I guess the white with the beige/purple markings made me think maybe it was an albino. I haven't had much experience with patternless but when I hatched out Mack snow albino, they had the same white and beige/purple markings. The pictures on the leopard gecko wiki (Leopard Gecko Wiki) show the patternless albinos and even the mack snow patternless albinos as being more yellow, but most mack snows yellow up as they mature.
As for the solid black eyes, I hatched some eclipse albinos that also looked to have solid black eyes but when I shined a flashlight behind them (as I had been advised to do) I saw that they were actually red.

Aliza

That weird splotchy pattern by the neck is a good sign of mp from what ive seen, some have it more than others an it can be different depending on what other genetics.. Could be a mp snow albino maybe?

[SpottedDragon]

Thanks for the reply's - I guess it will be a surprise as he/she grows

[acpart]

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It's definitely a murphy patternless and definitely a mack snow as far as I can tell. I don't know if it's an albino (if the eyes turn out to be red, then it obviously is an albino). Unfortunately it may get more difficult to tell what it is as it matures because it will probably get yellower.

Aliza