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    Hello all.

    I have never bothered with putting moss in my leos vivariums and they have never had problems shedding.

    But recently one of them has had problems with skin on their toes and despite me giving them regular baths i think i need to give them something which can help them shed.

    Trouble is i dont really have the space to add another hide with moss in as they already have a hide and a tunnel.

    So what are my best options?

    I was thinking of replacing a part of the vivarium with moss for them to walk through. Or put moss in their main hide.

    Or is there anything else i can do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbreeder View Post
    Hello all.

    I have never bothered with putting moss in my leos vivariums and they have never had problems shedding.

    But recently one of them has had problems with skin on their toes and despite me giving them regular baths i think i need to give them something which can help them shed.

    Trouble is i dont really have the space to add another hide with moss in as they already have a hide and a tunnel.

    So what are my best options?

    I was thinking of replacing a part of the vivarium with moss for them to walk through. Or put moss in their main hide.

    Or is there anything else i can do?
    Moist humid hides need to be enclosed except for the entrance. Warm humid air aids condensation. That helps with a leo's hydration as well as with shedding.


    Some multivitamins also help with shedding. Which supps do you use: brand, name, & frequency?

    Three hides are best.
    Warm dry
    Warm humid
    Cool dry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Moist humid hides need to be enclosed except for the entrance. Warm humid air aids condensation. That helps with a leo's hydration as well as with shedding.


    Some multivitamins also help with shedding. Which supps do you use: brand, name, & frequency?

    Three hides are best.
    Warm dry
    Warm humid
    Cool dry
    I have used Exo Terra Calcium D3 and Multi vitamin for a long time now. But i also have komodo Calcium and Nutrabol calcium and multivitamin which i got given bu5 have not used yet.

    I have calcium in little dishes in the vivariums and dust their locusts and wax worms twice a week with calcium and vitamins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbreeder View Post
    I have used Exo Terra Calcium D3 and Multi vitamin for a long time now. But i also have komodo Calcium and Nutrabol calcium and multivitamin which i got given bu5 have not used yet.

    I have calcium in little dishes in the vivariums and dust their locusts and wax worms twice a week with calcium and vitamins.
    Nutrobal (all-in-one) multivitamins are far superior to Exo Terra supplements. As long as your supplements are current I'd switch to:
    For leos 0-12 months old
    • Mondays -- lightly dust feeders with Nutrobal (all-in-one) multivitamins
    • Wednesdays -- lightly dust feeders with Komodo plain calcium (no D3)
    • Fridays -- lightly dust feeders with Komodo plain calcium (no D3)

    For leos 12-18 months old
    Carry on like before with 3 separate dustings per week, but with feedings probably reduced to 3 per week

    For leos 18 months old and older
    • Monday -- lightly dust feeders with Nutrobal (all-in-one) multivitamins
    • Thursday -- lightly dust feeders with Komodo plain calcium (no D3)
    • Saturday -- mealworms (if your leos are hungry) - no dusting


    Regarding calcium dishes within the enclosure:
    Hilde says: "Excess calcium in the digestive tract can hinder absorption of vitamins A and D."

    Supplement comparisons:
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 03-18-2019 at 01:59 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Nutrobal (all-in-one) multivitamins are far superior to Exo Terra supplements. As long as your supplements are current I'd switch to:
    For leos 0-12 months old
    • Mondays -- lightly dust feeders with Nutrobal (all-in-one) multivitamins
    • Wednesdays -- lightly dust feeders with Komodo plain calcium (no D3)
    • Fridays -- lightly dust feeders with Komodo plain calcium (no D3)

    For leos 12-18 months old
    Carry on like before with 3 separate dustings per week, but with feedings probably reduced to 3 per week

    For leos 18 months old and older
    • Monday -- lightly dust feeders with Nutrobal (all-in-one) multivitamins
    • Thursday -- lightly dust feeders with Komodo plain calcium (no D3)
    • Saturday -- mealworms (if your leos are hungry) - no dusting


    Regarding calcium dishes within the enclosure:
    Hilde says: "Excess calcium in the digestive tract can hinder absorption of vitamins A and D."

    Supplement comparisons:
    Thanks for that! I will take it into consideration. What about egg laying females though? Dont they need mote calcium as thats what they need to make the eggs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbreeder View Post
    Thanks for that! I will take it into consideration. What about egg laying females though? Dont they need mote calcium as thats what they need to make the eggs?
    Considering that Nutrobal has a ratio of 46:1 calcium : phosphorus, that's ample. Vitamin D3 helps metabolize calcium all week long, since D3 is fat soluble.

    GU's acpart (Aliza) who bred leos for years used this schedule. Repashy's Calcium Plus contains far less vitamin D3 per dose.

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    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 03-18-2019 at 02:16 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Considering that Nutrobal has a ratio of 46:1 calcium : phosphorus, that's ample. Vitamin D3 helps metabolize calcium all week long, since D3 is fat soluble.

    GU's acpart (Aliza) who bred leos for years used this schedule. Repashy's Calcium Plus contains far less vitamin D3 per dose.

    Your signature link works fine!
    Yeah i will start following that schedule. Thanks. And yeah i got there in the end
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