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    Question Can Geckos Swim?!


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    Hello,

    I currently have one Marbled Gecko, and he or she is doing extremely well.

    It's really easily for me to outfit the gecko enclosure to be suitable for frogs as well. But I'm wondering, because I'll be putting in a divider and making about a 3rd of the tank water, if my gecko falls in, will it drown? or can they float/swim back to shore? or will it know not to go anywhere near it?

    Edit: By putting some large pebbles in the water, will drowning be prevented?

    Any help would be great, positive feedback most appreciated as frogs would be GREAT.

    Thanks.
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    Mixing species is not a good idea - especially with amphibians. I would keep your marble gecko alone - he'll be happiest and healthiest this way. And yes, geckos can easily drown in deep water.

    Fire bellied toads are a great choice for a frog. They are easy to care for, cheap and readily available, beautiful, and quite entertaining. But not good to live with geckos.
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    Just like snakes: I believe all geckos can swim, and I doubt that you are going to manufacture a terrarium sooo large that your gecko wont be able to swim to shore.

    Also, there is nothing wrong with mixing species, you just want to acclimate all the animals involved, and be aware that their interactions are going well, and if not, you must undo what you have done.

    Simple as that.

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    Hey there!

    never, never mix species and gekcos cannot swim whatsoever. doing what you want to do will result with a dead gecko. i have frogs, geckos, and fish. i lost a gecko doing what you are about to do. it drowned.

    -danell

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    Yea geckos cannot swim whatsoever not even a doggy paddle.

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    OK, to sound a slightly less alarmist tone; in my experience yes, you can do what you want to do you just have to be careful!

    I have personally kept breeding colonies of Rhacodactylus Ciliatus, Crested Geckos, in cages measuring approx. 2' x 1' x 3' with 1/3 (~7" x 12") of the bottom being water. The adults never drowned, the babies they had which I allowed to hatch out in the cage never drowned(granted I removed them within a day or two of hatching), heck I only had 3 crickets ever drown. The key factor I attribute this to is I made it very easy for the animals to climb out of the water. The water itself was 4" deep but it had several large rocks and branches in it so an animal was never more than about 4" away from something they could easily climb out of the water on. I actually found it rather entertaining watching some of the Cresteds plop down into the water for whatever reason and then scramble out. Now when you say Marbled Gecko I'm assuming you're talking about one of the arboreal australian geckos (just a side note, scientific names are always helpful). They're smaller than Cresteds so obviously you have to take that in to account when constructing your water feature but that does not immediately preclude the idea. So, to conclude water feature does NOT equal dead gecko. Is there a greater risk? Certainly, someone else earlier in this thread mentioned having a gecko die in a water feature. It is up to you to decide what level of risk is acceptable.

    A few points to think on:
    1) Not all frogs need or even want a large water feature in their cage. Many frogs and toads, firebellys included are quite happy with a water dish big enough for them to climb into from time to time.
    2) Is your gecko naturally found in and around streams or ponds? If not a large water feature may be a bad idea. It could create too much humidity or simply stress the animal as being completely foreign from it's instinctually programmed behaviors. If I remember correctly most of the australian marbled and velvet geckos come from drier forests in Australia where standing water is for the most part a seasonal phenomena.

    I fully support creating the most beautiful, naturalistic vivariums you can. They enhance the lives of your animals, increase the enjoyment you derive from them and genuinely add to the decor of your home. But you must make sure to couple the right animal with the right enclosure. Don't put a dry forest dweller in a rainforest enclosure and don't put an arboreal rainforest dweller in a rocky desert enclosure.

    Now as for mixing species; yes, absolutely, it's a lot of fun. BUT!! You must be VERY careful when doing so. Select animals that would be found together, or at least in the same area in nature. In madagascar you can find certain leaftail geckos(uroplatus) in the same area you find certain day geckos(phelsuma) and species of mantella(a type of frog). Select animals that will not compete with each other. Day Geckos and Anoles? Bad combo. While their environmental requirements are similar both are arboreal, diurnal, territorial and to some degree insectivorous. That means they will be active at the same time fighting for the same area and the same food. Under such circumstances casualties are inevitable. However, a cage containing uroplatus, mantellas, and phelsumas could be (I've seen it) quite successful. The Day Geckos will occupy the very top of the cage and be active during the day. The mantellas will be active during the morning and evening and stay on the bottom. Meanwhile the Uroplatus will only come out at night and tend to stay towards the top/middle of the cage...assuming it's big enough.

    Which leads to the next topic, cage size! When you are mixing species take whatever size cage you think would be good for all the animals and then triple it...at least. There must be enough space in the cage that each species can avoid each other and not be constantly tripping over each other. You could easily and safely keep a trio of small phelsumas, mantellas or uroplatus in a 10 gallon tank. However, to keep all 9 of those animals I would advise a cage with the minimum measurements of 2' x 1' x 2'. Otherwise you would have the phelsumas waking up the uroplatus with their running around during the day, the uroplatus waking up the phelsumas with their nocturnal wanderings and the mantellas just kind of getting into everything with an overall result of heightened stress for all the animals thus less eating, less reproducing, and a greater likelihood of dying.

    Yeah, this is long, keep reading, just a little further to go!

    Diseases!!! Everyones favorite headache. I don't know about you but I just love handing money to a vet who doesn't know what they're doing in the first place! Seriously though when putting together a mixed species cage it is critical all your animals be captive bred! Wild caught animals (which unfortunately most firebelly frogs are) come in stressed all to heck with lowered immune systems and heightened parasite loads hence their reputations for being delicate and dying. It is difficult enough to get them to thrive in their own cages but putting them in with a bunch of animals of different species is just asking for them to kick the bucket. There is also the danger of them leaving you with a little parting gift. Your captive bred animals will not have the resistances to disease of their wild counterparts. Out sheltered little darlings are regrettably soft in that respect. So when you place them in proximity to a wild animal with an elevated parasite load due to stress...well...let's just say the results tend to be predictable.

    To recap;

    1)Water does NOT equal dead gecko. It DOES equal higher risk so do what you can to minimize it.
    2)Not all geckos like a lot of water, do your research first.
    3)You CAN mix species of animals. It CAN be a lot of fun. It is also very RISKY. Do your homework, plan it out AHEAD OF TIME, be careful. Even if you can afford a mistake your animals can't.
    4)Get some books, you never have too many! If you want to get in to making cool vivariums for your animals I recommend Encyclopedia of Terrarium by Eugene Bruins. It's a great resource with information on all aspects of the process from construction to animal selection to species compatibility.
    5)HAVE FUN!! Enjoy yourself!! That's why we all got in to this hobby in the first place and that's what keeps us in it.

    P.S. (climbs up on to soapbox) To the other folks who replied to this thread blanket statements like "never, never mix species", and "Pretty much everything here is wrong." are not helpful. Seriously. Offer your opinion, explain why you think it is valid, support it with evidence from your own experience, book citations are good too, if you disagree with someone else's statements do so respectfully by explaining what you take issue with and why, and it's always nice to include a provision about your opinion not being the only valid one out there. The point in this forum is to help expand the knowledge of folks new to the hobby. That means not only giving people our opinion but then taking the time to explain the whys and wherefores of it. OK getting down off my soapbox now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJreptile View Post

    P.S. (climbs up on to soapbox) To the other folks who replied to this thread blanket statements like "never, never mix species", and "Pretty much everything here is wrong." are not helpful. Seriously. Offer your opinion, explain why you think it is valid, support it with evidence from your own experience, book citations are good too, if you disagree with someone else's statements do so respectfully by explaining what you take issue with and why, and it's always nice to include a provision about your opinion not being the only valid one out there. The point in this forum is to help expand the knowledge of folks new to the hobby. That means not only giving people our opinion but then taking the time to explain the whys and wherefores of it. OK getting down off my soapbox now.

    Well said
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    I can see why this is in n00b central.. half the ppl that commented are n00bs.. "never,nerver mix secies" lol nub lots of ppl mix species go look up shit before you reply blindly

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    Heh, thanks Ethan, I'm a professor's kid so it's a bit of a button of mine.

    Tdizzle - "if you disagree with someone else's statements do so respectfully by explaining what you take issue with and why" seriously dude, seriously. So what if they're new, they're trying to help? I hope the folks I quoted won't take what I said personally. It's just a button of mine and I did try to be polite and respectful in explaining why I took issue with what they wrote. Just putting them down doesn't help anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdizzle10 View Post
    I can see why this is in n00b central.. half the ppl that commented are n00bs.. "never,nerver mix secies" lol nub lots of ppl mix species go look up shit before you reply blindly
    This is not an appropriate post. We do not allow negativity like this on these forums. There are far more constructive ways to get your point across.
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