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    Hello!!

    I have home on loan since this week-end a pair of what I believe to be Mniarogekko jalu

    It was possible to track down to the original wild caught individuals, which were captured in the northwest part of Mainland New Caledonia.
    This pair is around 7 years old
    The male seems to show 2-3 femorales pores rows which would fit jalu, which is also the case for the geographic origine

    On pictures you can rather see the differences with the chahouas found in the hobby, I hope to have success with them as I have with chahouas

    Here is the female, huge animal but very calme











    Here is the male
    Slightly smaller than the female, a lot more shy and nervous









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    1.1 S. notatus atactus
    1.1 S. sputator
    0.1 Phelsuma quadriocellata quadriocellata
    1.1 P. robertmertensi
    1.2 Mniarogekko chahoua "île des Pins"
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    Gorgeous animals Yann!

    Hervé
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    Hi!!

    To give you an idea of the size of the female



    Cheers
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    1.1 Sphaerodactylus difficilis diolenius +9 juveniles
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    1.1 S.argus + 1 young
    1.1 S. macrolepis "Blue Eyes"
    1.1 S. fantasticus karukera
    1.1 S. notatus atactus
    1.1 S. sputator
    0.1 Phelsuma quadriocellata quadriocellata
    1.1 P. robertmertensi
    1.2 Mniarogekko chahoua "île des Pins"
    0.0.1 Rhacodactylus leachianus henkeli "Nuu Ana"
    0.0.1 Rhacodactylus leachianus henkeli "Bayonnaise"
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    They are stunning!!!!!!

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    Nice animals. But they look rather like all the "mainland chahouas" available in europe. Only size and rows of pores are not sufficient to say this is M.jalu. If you want to be sure go through every detail described in bauers reclassification. There are a lot of big male chahous who only have 2 or 3 rows of pores.
    From whom did you get them and who captured them?

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    Well the origin of the ancestors are north - northwest of mainland

    In the description Bauer state That 3 rows are jalu 4 or more are chahoua
    Since chahoua are restricted to south and middle mainland I really don't see what it could be else, plus these were not mixed with anything else!

    So yes size, pores, geographic origin make it for jalu!!

    Plus comparing these with other mainland clearly show différences
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    1.1 Sphaerodactylus difficilis diolenius +9 juveniles
    1.1 S. nigropunctatus "intermedius" + 2 juvéniles
    1.1 S.argus + 1 young
    1.1 S. macrolepis "Blue Eyes"
    1.1 S. fantasticus karukera
    1.1 S. notatus atactus
    1.1 S. sputator
    0.1 Phelsuma quadriocellata quadriocellata
    1.1 P. robertmertensi
    1.2 Mniarogekko chahoua "île des Pins"
    0.0.1 Rhacodactylus leachianus henkeli "Nuu Ana"
    0.0.1 Rhacodactylus leachianus henkeli "Bayonnaise"
    0.0.1 Tribolonotus gracilis
    1.3 Takydromus smaragdinus

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    If you read my post carefully, i said that i know quite some male chahouas with 3 or less rows of pores. So that would make them all jalu?
    Your female does not have pores what makes you think she is jalu? Besides that you claim they were collected in northern mainland.
    So it boils down to the question if you can trust your research / the seller about their ancestors.
    In my opinion you have to look at every detail before saying this is jalu and maybe selling them as those. Chahouas are a mess (locality-wise) already.

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    Well what makes you believe the one you saw with 3 pores were indeed chahoua or not crossed with jalu!!

    I am just seeing and using what Bauer says!!

    Yes I trust the person who did the research and the lineage of these animals!
    They were not mixed with something else
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    Yann
    1.1 Sphaerodactylus difficilis diolenius +9 juveniles
    1.1 S. nigropunctatus "intermedius" + 2 juvéniles
    1.1 S.argus + 1 young
    1.1 S. macrolepis "Blue Eyes"
    1.1 S. fantasticus karukera
    1.1 S. notatus atactus
    1.1 S. sputator
    0.1 Phelsuma quadriocellata quadriocellata
    1.1 P. robertmertensi
    1.2 Mniarogekko chahoua "île des Pins"
    0.0.1 Rhacodactylus leachianus henkeli "Nuu Ana"
    0.0.1 Rhacodactylus leachianus henkeli "Bayonnaise"
    0.0.1 Tribolonotus gracilis
    1.3 Takydromus smaragdinus

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    I have the paper by BAUER, WHITAKER, SADLIER & JACKMAN, 2012. No doubt Yann is right. Pr. Aaron Bauer is certainly more qualified than us all to give criteria for IDing species. Unless canthoo is a taxonomist him/herself
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    Hi!!

    The pair has settle in nicely, I have added a couple more plants which seems to have secure them a bit more, they explore the terrarium a lot more, saw them hunting on crickets but they haven't touch the fruits I have offer them, maybe a matter of time..

    Here the male resting on a branch



    Cheers
    Yann
    1.1 Sphaerodactylus difficilis diolenius +9 juveniles
    1.1 S. nigropunctatus "intermedius" + 2 juvéniles
    1.1 S.argus + 1 young
    1.1 S. macrolepis "Blue Eyes"
    1.1 S. fantasticus karukera
    1.1 S. notatus atactus
    1.1 S. sputator
    0.1 Phelsuma quadriocellata quadriocellata
    1.1 P. robertmertensi
    1.2 Mniarogekko chahoua "île des Pins"
    0.0.1 Rhacodactylus leachianus henkeli "Nuu Ana"
    0.0.1 Rhacodactylus leachianus henkeli "Bayonnaise"
    0.0.1 Tribolonotus gracilis
    1.3 Takydromus smaragdinus
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