[Tony C]

Originally Posted by sirmaedwaseem

the viellardi x agricole is because im sure that viellardi is just a mutatation of a agricole and if they were different species then its not possible to make hybrids.

Not true at all, interspecific hybrids are common in many organisms, and even intergeneric hybrids aren't that rare...

[sirmaedwaseem]

well before everyone starts to judge, i should let all of you know ive had every rhacodactylus excluding trachyrhynchus and leachianus aubrianus.
i know the risks as well.
also every animal on that list. ive owned before

[Riverside Reptiles]

No offense but you're 13 years old and you've owned E. viellardi ??? I'm curious which breeder you purchased those from? There's only a handful of people in the entire country working with them...and most of them are members of these forums.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by sirmaedwaseem

well before everyone starts to judge, i should let all of you know ive had every rhacodactylus excluding trachyrhynchus and leachianus aubrianus.
i know the risks as well.
also every animal on that list. ive owned before

And yet still no knowledge of genetics.

[Tony C]

Originally Posted by Justin

And yet still no knowledge of genetics.

[rudders]

Hi, just a quick question, if you owned sarasinorum,cilatus,auriculatus and chahoua where are they now?Are they dead? I have some Rhacodatylus which are older than you and still going strong so why do you want to mess with them?
My only hope is the reputable breeders will refuse to sell to you to basically experiment on.As breeders we all have a certain responsibility and to sell to a thirteen year old to hybridise would be a travesty.I only hope there is an age retriction on buying live animals where you are as there is in the UK.Just my feeling towards this sort of thread.

[sirmaedwaseem]

well i gave them away due to my stepdad hating me
i even gave away my (atheris squamigera) my favorite snake

well ive heard of hybrids of
Crested X Chahoua

Crested X Auriculatus

Crested x Sarasinorum
so i want to see if they can hybrid with each other
and before anybody still says something
ive did 3 months on research to make sure about all the risks
even in non reptile animals

[rhacoboy]

I am going to try to be as civil as possible. As I know this is a very touchy subject and I too am young, so I'm not trying to hurt anyones feelings or anything.

Hybrids of certain species are beautiful animals, many however are sterile and pose a HUGE threat to the genetics of our animals. The gene pool is small enough as it is with only a few thousand or even hundred animals originally imported.

I understand you may think this is a good project, and I appreciate the fact that you are young and in the hobby, as I've been breeding since I was 10 and I know that it can be difficult, but trying to produce your own species by breeding several species together is going to build on the fact that you are young and destroy your reputation in the hobby and probably make a lot of people dislike you because they disagree so strongly with what you are doing.

With the fact that you are planning to purchase these such animals, you obviously have a large amount of funds available. I would suggest that you purchase pairs of each animal, and breed chahouaXchahoua, sarasinoriumXsarasinorium, agricolaeXagricolae, viellardiXviellardi etc.

Another thing is, there is a very small Viellardi gene pool in the U.S. and if you are planning to pollute it this early on, I suggest that you think again about the specie you are trying to breed in this project.

If in fact you do end up taking all of our advice and breeding each specie for what it is, then I can assure you you will be applauded and accepted into this hobby very quickly, and if you infact breed out each specie for what it is, you will gain the respect of us fellow herpers quickly due to what you have done and your age. I am only 15, and several opportunities for me to hybridize have come up, but I've constantly had the welfare of the specie in mind before doing so.

All that I ask, is you take all of what was said into consideration, and please try to keep the species pure. Think about what this could do to the captive population, or even wait it out a few years and see if your opinion has changed.

Thank you for considering and reading this post,
-Armen

[sirmaedwaseem]

Originally Posted by rhacoboy

I am going to try to be as civil as possible. As I know this is a very touchy subject and I too am young, so I'm not trying to hurt anyones feelings or anything.

Hybrids of certain species are beautiful animals, many however are sterile and pose a HUGE threat to the genetics of our animals. The gene pool is small enough as it is with only a few thousand or even hundred animals originally imported.

I understand you may think this is a good project, and I appreciate the fact that you are young and in the hobby, as I've been breeding since I was 10 and I know that it can be difficult, but trying to produce your own species by breeding several species together is going to build on the fact that you are young and destroy your reputation in the hobby and probably make a lot of people dislike you because they disagree so strongly with what you are doing.

With the fact that you are planning to purchase these such animals, you obviously have a large amount of funds available. I would suggest that you purchase pairs of each animal, and breed chahouaXchahoua, sarasinoriumXsarasinorium, agricolaeXagricolae, viellardiXviellardi etc.

Another thing is, there is a very small Viellardi gene pool in the U.S. and if you are planning to pollute it this early on, I suggest that you think again about the specie you are trying to breed in this project.

If in fact you do end up taking all of our advice and breeding each specie for what it is, then I can assure you you will be applauded and accepted into this hobby very quickly, and if you infact breed out each specie for what it is, you will gain the respect of us fellow herpers quickly due to what you have done and your age. I am only 15, and several opportunities for me to hybridize have come up, but I've constantly had the welfare of the specie in mind before doing so.

All that I ask, is you take all of what was said into consideration, and please try to keep the species pure. Think about what this could do to the captive population, or even wait it out a few years and see if your opinion has changed.

Thank you for considering and reading this post,
-Armen

WHOA
who said i was gonna sell them or give them away
i know about tat the leopard geckos in the stores are usually hybrids and no one even knows(as in the afghani, iraqi, and indian variations.
but thats the same reason that im not giving them away.
though i do see what you mean. this makes me want to reconsider.
and ethan i got my veillardi on kingsnake but i forgot who

[rhacoboy]

Originally Posted by sirmaedwaseem

WHOA
who said i was gonna sell them or give them away
i know about tat the leopard geckos in the stores are usually hybrids and no one even knows(as in the afghani, iraqi, and indian variations.
but thats the same reason that im not giving them away.
though i do see what you mean. this makes me want to reconsider.
and ethan i got my veillardi on kingsnake but i forgot who

I do appreciate the fact that you are not planning on selling or giving away the animals, however I still disagree with the whole concept.

The sarasinoriumXcrested gecko hybrid I saw had back legs that were useless and dysfunctional, who knows what other problems could pop up if breeding other different species together or even going further with the process.

Thanks,
-Armen