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    Interesting and I am also very sure that ......... somethings are out there watching, it's all the same around the world.

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    You are so lucky that they let you go on time to catch the flight.
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    Default private collection holder of NZ geckos - advice!

    Hi Stubacca

    I came across your post after doing a google search for "naultinus" and thought I could offer some advice.Have you heard of the New Zealand Herpetological society? We're a group of people interested in NZ reptiles and most members keep NZ gecko species as well. If you wanted/want to see geckos in private collections in NZ we are the best people to contact - the regional rep.'s for the society in particular are really friendly and I imagine they would be happy to show you their collections. Many members have vast collections of animals - I'm about to visit a society member guy who lives near me in Wellington who I'm told has over 600 lizards including several endangered species that you could otherwise only see in the wild 9 and there aren't many left so that would be difficult).

    It's unfortunate that no one told you that going through DOC was a bad idea - dude there is so much beauracracy and crap to deal with going through them. The idea that you need a permit to handle geckos is a little ridiculous - obviously they don't want people stealing them but what about cases where not handling would result in their death or injury? I have picked up individuals of several species in order to stop them being squashed. Just last week I found a Hoplodactylus granulatus on a track near my house in the middle of a busy track - I picked it up and photographed it with a friend before placing it safely out of harms way in the surrounding forest. Getting a permit to keep lizards here is much harder than it used to be also.. some other gecko keeprs I know grumble about this as many of them are middle aged and grew up in a time when you could just waltze into the forest and grab some geckos to keep and you wouldn't be breaking any laws. but then again a lot has changed in the past 30 years..

    DOC can be a bit overzealous sometimes but they are mean well There has been at least one case of reptile collectors from overseas coming here and trying to make off with several native geckos ( no doubt others have done so successfully and escaped scot free). Our naultinus geckos are very beautiful and we know how desireable they are - I don't blame many people here for wanting some naultinus . I keep some Forest and Pacific geckos but the idea of getting some Naultinus is why I started keeping geckos in the first place.. I think it's inevitable that they're going to monitor sites like this because people here fit the profile of those who have tried to smuggle out endemic species from our country before. I agree that they should have given you the benefit of the doubt however..

    Are you in touch with anyone from victoria university ( wellington)? They have at least 10 graduate students ( 3 of them americans like yourself) doing research on NZ reptiles.

    If you come back to NZ at some point please don't hesitate to get in touch with me - I can show you my 3 geckos and I can also put you in touch with some other society members with vast, specatular collections.

    Cheers, Nick
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    where can i buy a naltinus gecko

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    Quote Originally Posted by oilbear View Post
    where can i buy a naltinus gecko
    Good luck, and why would you post this here? This isnt a wanted section! They go for 3-5k per gecko and Ive seen em up for 8k a pair.
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    The NZ officials may seem 'paranoid', but when you consider the shear number of geckos that have been taken illegally from the country already (can anyone hear name a case of NZ geckos leaving the country by LEGAL channels? can anyone produce any actual permits?!) they really have no choice. Poachers have wreaked terrible damage on wild populations in NZ - Ive seen some of the best populations of N. gemmeus, for example, almost disapear entirely because of poachers, not to mention a number of people keeping lizards through the correct legal channels in NZ have had their animals stolen by poachers. Unfortunitly the lack of thought by overseas keepers as to where their own specimens REALLY came from, not the load of cr*p story they have been fed, is fueling a massive problem that does involve entire populations going extinct in NZ. No amount of 'they were bred here' will undo the harm caused to the geckos by their initial theft. Read the book 'The Lizard King'... to get an idea of whats behind it all. We like our geckos and are sick of having them stolen, and are sick of the lack or moral support by people who profess to like these animals, yet are quite happy to prop up their downfall by paying money to the poaching system!

    Having said that, anyone should be able to come to NZ and enjoy our geckos without being hassled. But please remember why there is paranoia in the first place, its because back where the animals come from, there are no excuses for the overseas animals, there are just empty bushes where geckos USED to live.
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    Love your post Mr "Rocknvole" & I couldn't agree more.
    I've seen the damage caused by poaching first hand, it is inexcusable.

    I'm pleased that DoC are suspicious. Seeing empty bushes where gecko used to live is devasting.
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    Just checked this post for the first time in 4 years. Ahhh memories...

    Nobody wants DoCs job, and with hindsite I don't mind that they searched my bag, even on some pretty faint probable cause. But I still feel the going through the camera (which unfortunately was also in my checked bag) was a bit invasive. And there they are under no obligation to insert a note saying you were inspected. I wish they were as rigorous with getting rid of possums - they've been far more devastating than poachers ever were.

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