What EXACTLY is Going on Here?

PassPort · #1 10-17-2007, 08:28 PM

Hey, I simply love Naultinus, but everyone tells me they're illegal to own...... can anyone in here confirm this? I see some reputable breeders having them, so I know it has to be at least somewhat legit. Any feedback would be awesome.

GeckoTom · #2 10-19-2007, 03:25 PM

Why are they illegal to own?

BlakeDeffenbaugh · #3 10-24-2007, 04:52 PM

As far as what I understand of the law and talking to several people about them they are not illegal to own. If you buy a CB animal in the states I dont even think you have to have CITES papers for them. All CITES is there for is to see where animals are going and where they are coming from. If you try to get a animal from say Germany its going to take a while to get the papers if they even approve you for them. There are a few people in here in the states breeding them. But when a animal takes a few years to mature, and only has 1 baby a year. . . kinda makes for a slow starting project. So as far as I know and unless they changed it they are legal to own and as long as you have DEEP pockets (1500-3000 each, 6000-9000 pair) you can get them. There are people on this forum that know for sure though, maybe they will catch wind of this post and let us know for sure.

GeckoTom · #4 10-24-2007, 04:54 PM

You are right!
They are not illegal!! I dont know what is going on in his mind!!! The guys who told him so are not informed!!!

BlakeDeffenbaugh · #5 10-24-2007, 04:58 PM

In the states because of them being higher up on CITES people think they are illegal for some reason. Hell I used to also until I talked to some bigger people about them. CITES combined with the fact that you NEVER see them makes a lot of people think they are illegal. Off the top of my head I can only think of one person that is breeding them, and I'm not even sure if hes breeding them yet. I'd love to get some but right now I'm not paying that much on a animal.

GeckoTom · #6 10-24-2007, 05:07 PM

Dont think that you need cites in the states!!!

I have cites animals here, but there are no Naultinus among them!!

BlakeDeffenbaugh · #7 10-24-2007, 05:09 PM

No if you sell or buy inside the states I dont think you have to have papers for them. Its if you buy outside the country and have them shipped in, or sell to another country to ship out.

GeckoTom · #8 10-24-2007, 05:15 PM

yes, but no cites!

PassPort · #9 10-24-2007, 05:19 PM

there was a post on Repashy's forum that explained all of it. I understand CITES I and CITES II pretty well (one of my friends breeds Aldabra tortoises and another friend works in the CITES department at the San Diego Zoo.) but the post said that since NZ has made it even illegal to photograph their wildlife w/o proper permits let alone own them and the CITES restrictions they were not allowed to be owned in the States with out lots of permits/paperwork. It didn't sound right to me, but I figured someone on here would know. The main reason I ask is that last year my friend called me dfrom the Daytona show saying if I could come up w/ $2500 he'd get me a juvie pair of Naultinus from a breeder there.

BlakeDeffenbaugh · #10 10-24-2007, 05:23 PM

For $2500 you should get them if you got it. Thats a great price really. You dont need CITES papers if your buying and live in the use. Wish I had the $2500 I'd tell you to give him my number.

In order to get them in the country or out of the country you do have to have CITES papers. But the trade of them INSIDE the country they dont care about. Email Jon Boone he can explain it all.