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    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer View Post
    I'm actually trying to figure that out now. Since he's not eating very much/on a predictable schedule currently (and I can't blame him, with the shed and then the vet trip) I'm just going to give my mealworms cornflakes or maybe plain Cherrios to eat and dust them with the plain calcium and herpivite before I put them in the bowl. I guess the oats I was giving them wasn't enough?

    What would you recommend, since my main goal is to get him back to eating more?
    You're much more versed in this stuff than I am, so any input would be greatly appreciated. I'm also definitely going to switch vitamins after seeing that analysis you provided (my lab tech side GREATLY appreciated the chemical breakdown comparisons).
    Thanks!

    First I'd get some Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food to feed mealworms, crickets, and dubia. That's much better than cornflakes or cheerios. Some GU members are quite pleased with the results! We are what we eat.

    Two weeks ago I found that beardie food for $.51 per ounce (20 ounces) including shipping right here: Reptile Supplies by ReptileDirect.com

    Did you see this USDA Foods List: Foods List? Enter almost any food for analysis.

    If Lavi is eating once in a while, I would not worry. If not, can you order hornworms in Florida? They have worked for many leos off food. They are hard to resist.

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    I did some research, and Dubias and Hornworms seem to be very iffy for me to have. Some sources say I can, others say no. I'll have to get in touch with some friends of mine in the entomology department at UF for a final answer, since they know all that stuff.

    Lavi seems to be eating two mealworms every couple of days or so with well-formed normal poops the day after. Since the vet said he's a little on the chunky side, I can only imagine that's why he's off food. Thanks for telling me not to worry, but I just can't help it, you know? I got used to him eating 10-12 a day, so seeing him suddenly eat so much less is frightening.

    And YES! Thank you for the link; I saw the price of the stuff in Petsmart and nearly had a heart attack when I first considered it. @_@
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    Everything which Elizabeth wrote above, I can substantiate with my own experiences. One word of caution in your response though. Be very careful if getting hornworms from a source other than one which specifically raises them for feeder purposes. In nature, these are the worms many gardeners find eating their tomato plants. Tomato leaves are quite toxic to reptiles. So, an entomology department may be feeding them something closer to their natural diet than that slurry which we feed them.

    Good luck!
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    Not to worry; I was just going to ask about their legality! Especially considering a guy just recently got hammered by Florida Agricultural Law Enforcement for ordering Dubias. I know hornworms are completely native to Florida, so they SHOULD be legal, but the law can be kinda wacky around here. >_< I was aware of their natural toxicity, hence why I was going to look around at mulberryfarms.com or some local herp feeder stores in Gainesville.

    I've managed to convince my mom that crickets are ok, so I'll have to get some and feed them that Zoo Med Adult Beardy food. Maybe Lavi will take a liking to them? Who knows at this point. As always, I'll keep you guys updated!

    OH! And here's that pic of Lore I promised everyone. She's a Super Hypo Carrot Tail (I think, still waiting for my breeder friend to get back to me on that).

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    Lore is pretty. I love yellow!

    It's good news that your mom is flexible. Crickets are a very balanced feeder, especially when fed a good diet.

    "Not to worry" is difficult. I know that's hard.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    I think they get bored eating the same thing over and over. I think mine is bored with roaches and mealworms but when I went to get repashy, the hornworms they had were full grown with very few smaller ones. Mullberry farms gives you the option to order smaller worms so by the time they get to you, they're about the right size for your gecko. Love Lore's colors, that's the morph I want to get if I get another leo.....been leaning towards a crestie
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    Lore is also a cutie! Good job convincing your mom on the crickets, now you have to be very careful to avoid escapes! Actually, they're impossible to avoid, they will happen. The only feeder I keep which has never escaped are the Turkestan roaches. The don't jump or climb plastic and glass! Their only downside is that they are roaches, and look much more "roachy" than dubia's.

    Your question about legality is a good one, perhaps that would be a good topic for sticky so we can track that by state and country?

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    I found a website that sells a certain breed of roach that is legal in Florida. I think it was about chameleons or something and the woman that breeds them is based out of Florida. Hornworms should be legal there, phoenix worms are great as well.
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    I'm sure it would be a good topic. The problem I'm having is A) It's homecoming weekend at UF so everything not football related is closed (go figure) and B) The Florida Department of Agriculture really likes sending people in circles trying to get answers. I'll have to wait until I hear back from someone before I can get a list of legal stuff in Florida going. Let's see who answers first, UF or the State! XD

    And thanks for the condolences, guys. I'm trying my hardest not to worry, but still. It's just an instinct for me, unfortunately. The second something I love goes awry, I go into overdrive to try and fix it. But like everyone says, only time and patience will tell here. Man, where's the "Fix Now" button when you need it?

    I'm just glad he's back to his usual sassy self. Whenever I would shoo him out of his moist hide to mist it, he would just stand there. Now he's back to climbing up on and sitting on my hand when I mist and just being a stinker in general about it. So that's at least a good sign. XD

    Thanks for the escape heads-up, by the way. It's a good thing I'm a pro insect-catcher, otherwise I'd be more worried about it. I'll let ya'll know how the crickets go over when I get them. And thanks for letting me know about mulberryfarms. That's good to know. Now to track down a wine/picnic cooler for hornworms if need be...
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    Yeah, it's just a matter of tracking down phoenix worms and if my little guy will like them. Lore? She'll eat anything. I've had to stop her from chowing down on a wild roach that had gotten into my room while she was out! I'll look her up, but it took quite a bit of convincing for the crickets alone. I'm not gonna push for a little while, because it's better to have crickets than no other feeder at all. @_@

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