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    I was thinking that at 6 inches, he should weigh more, but that picture does NOT look like an undernourished leo! And, despite the cell phone camera quality, it shows what I was looking for very clearly! Thank you!

    Do you have the ability to measure his temperature directly off his body, like with a remote temp sensor/IR wand? If he were trying to brumate, his temp would be lower than normal (about 85 F).

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    His humid hide straddles the warm and cool end. I've moved it to sit completely on the warm end, and will raise his temps a bit. I was actually going to weigh him every other day, so I could keep a close eye on any fluctuations. Do you think that's too much? Also, you don't think his tail is too skinny do you?
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    I think his tail is a bit skinnier than I like to see on mine, but no, it doesn't look "too skinny." I would keep his cool temps right where they are. If he is trying to brumate, then he needs the cooler temperature to maintain his own body temp lower, and slow down his metabolism.

    As to frequency of weighing him, it depends on how you do it. I weigh mine in a glass beaker about once a week, when I would normally be handling them anyway. When I was really concerned about Hopper, I probably weighed her about every three days. She was fine with that. If you are just trying to keep him still on a scale, it's probably a bit more stressful, if you are trying to keep him still and he's trying to move around then he probably senses something like impatience from you.

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    You're very welcome, Todd. I'm glad to hear that. I'm always comparing him to Lore (who is, as you know, quite the chunker), so I always feel like he might be undernourished or something. What exactly were you looking for, so I know what to keep an eye out for?

    I tried to put him in a long tupperware container without the lid on to weigh him when I normally have my geckos out (he's been out a less frequently because I don't want him stressed). This time, I just put him on the scale and he was totally fine. I guess he didn't like the container? I'll do it every 3 days; that seems like a good schedule to keep.

    And I just took a reading of his body temps; they're coming out to be 82 F. He was in his humid hide curled up in the moist moss beforehand, so this probably is the reason, but even when I would check his temps after being in the warm hide, he'd come out to be 85 or so. I used the infrared digital thermometer by Zoo Med (used to check his tank temps) to take his temps. I suppose it's safe to say he's brumating?

    If this is the case, is there any other special care I need to do? And around what weight should I get concerned if it drops? My original plan was that if his weight dropped 3 grams quick, I'd rush him to the vet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer View Post
    His humid hide straddles the warm and cool end. I've moved it to sit completely on the warm end, and will raise his temps a bit. I was actually going to weigh him every other day, so I could keep a close eye on any fluctuations. Do you think that's too much? Also, you don't think his tail is too skinny do you?
    Weekly weighing should be fine. Try containing him in a plastic container, rather than directly upon the scale.

    His tail is OK right now.

    If he is brumating he can always retreat to the cool end whenever he wants.
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    Usually when they brumate, they just stop eating as much and as often. Keep the temperatures where they are and once winter is over, he'll go back to normal. I've noticed mine is not eating as much and is not as interested in food lately.
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    Thanks for all the replies everyone. It's so strange that he's more than likely brumating and Lore isn't. I'll be sure to keep a close eye on his weight and just keep offering food. I'm glad that he's ok at this point. I've really been worried sick about him. But then, he seems to be much younger than Lore. Is there a weight/sign that I should be on the lookout for, so I know when to take him to the vet if need be?

    Also, @amsdadtodd, did you see my edits to post #74?

    I apologize if I've been a nuisance or a worrywart. Again, thank you all so much for the tips, advice, and help!
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    All that I was looking for in the picture was a good outline of his shape, including tail width, body shape, and leg thickness, especially front legs. 82 degrees, may or may not be brumating, it's to close to call.
    Remember, the IR wands have a bigger margin of error than the probe types, although they are quite effective at catching a trend in body temperature. I have one female who is unquestionably brumating, and she keeps herself reading between 75 and 78 degrees, as measured on a Zilla Point and Press from within a half inch. I found this to be a surprisingly accurate device when I had access to calibrated precision equipment to compare it against.
    I think your threshold of 3 grams quickly is reasonable, but remember that appearance is just as strong an indicator as measurable weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer View Post
    Thanks for all the replies everyone. It's so strange that he's more than likely brumating and Lore isn't. I'll be sure to keep a close eye on his weight and just keep offering food. I'm glad that he's ok at this point. I've really been worried sick about him. But then, he seems to be much younger than Lore. Is there a weight/sign that I should be on the lookout for, so I know when to take him to the vet if need be?

    Also, @amsdadtodd, did you see my edits to post #74?

    I apologize if I've been a nuisance or a worrywart. Again, thank you all so much for the tips, advice, and help!
    I did, and I think I covered it in #78, if not let me know. Also, you're not being a nuisance or anything like that. Even if you were, I'd rather hear from a nuisance owner with healthy pet, than a complacent owner with a sick one!

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    That's good to hear. You were very clear with your answer, so thanks for that! I'll just keep an eye on him, and if anything changes, I'll let you all know. Thanks again!
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