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    Of course, dear!

    Yep on the ZM plain calcium! I got some yesterday when I went and got crickets for Lore (roaches for Lavi, since we know his feelings on crickets). I'll be feeding those off later today, now that they've had a chance to gutload (using same formula with the flukers cricket quenchers and ZM beardie food).

    I've decided to remove the plain calcium from their tanks, because it's been two days since Lore has pooped and I noticed her calcium dish had a LOT lapped out of it. I did some reading and saw that too much calcium can cause digestion issues, so I took it out. I know the mealworms are eating (the quencher cubes are disappearing and the food is chewed up so...), so I'm not sure why she would have taken in so much!

    ...Unless she's gravid or something. In which case I need to get a good look at her belly next time she's out of her hide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    BTW, have you plain (no D3) Reptivite multivitamins?

    You're welcome, Gossamer. If we don't ask, nothing is gained.

    Keep us updated.
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    Of course, dear!

    Yep on the ZM plain calcium! I got some yesterday when I went and got crickets for Lore (roaches for Lavi, since we know his feelings on crickets). I'll be feeding those off later today, now that they've had a chance to gutload (using same formula with the flukers cricket quenchers and ZM beardie food).

    I've decided to remove the plain calcium from their tanks, because it's been two days since Lore has pooped and I noticed her calcium dish had a LOT lapped out of it. I did some reading and saw that too much calcium can cause digestion issues, so I took it out. I know the mealworms are eating (the quencher cubes are disappearing and the food is chewed up so...), so I'm not sure why she would have taken in so much!

    ...Unless she's gravid or something. In which case I need to get a good look at her belly next time she's out of her hide.
    Did you mean plain (no D3) Reptivite multivitamins? It's important to use a D3 calcium (not in the viv), but plain Reptivite.

    Good on removing the plain calcium.

    Here's a quote by Hilde from post 22:

    "CALCIUM - excess:
    Excess calcium in the digestive tract can hinder absorption of Vitamin A and D (we won't worry about E & K here). MBD is often considered to be caused by a shortage of calcium, but can happen even though there is ample calcium available. If there's not enough Vit D available, either stored in the liver or absorbed via food/supplements, then there won't be enough calcium absorbed. If you suspect a calcium shortage, it's easy to increase the amount available by dusting more often, even to the point of 'icing' the bugs with calcium, all of which just puts more calcium into the intestines but allowing less and less Vitamin A & D to be absorbed.... a vicious circle. The result is a gecko with possible MBD (even if it's on calcium substrate and gets calcium supplement), and a severe shortage of Vitamin A & D."
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

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    That's actually the EXACT information I read that made me take the calcium out. Thank you for directing my attention to it, though!

    And yes, that's what I meant. I was originally using the Herp-cal plain calcium, but figured I might as well switch over entirely to the ZM brand of supplements. I had the plain ZM Reptivite and the ZM D3 Calcium already. I replied after just waking up, so I was probably a little confuzzled. :P

    I want to have plain calcium on hand, just in case I ever might need it. As my dad says: "It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it!"
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    Ok, guys! Good/Bad (?) news time!

    Good news: Lore has pooped (looked normal and no weird odor, so yay on that front!) and snapped up 3 of the 5 crickets I offered her and 7 of the ten mealworms I offered her. I put the crickets and mealworms in separate dishes, mainly because I've heard that crickets will eat mealworms.(?!?!!?) Lavi was kinda meh on the roaches (I offered him 5 nymphs and he only at two) but he ate all ten of the mealworms offered.

    Bad news: Lore has become skittish towards me. I'm certain this is because I've been checking in on her daily and had her out yesterday to gently rub her belly. I did that just in case she might have been impacted somehow, and I'm pretty sure she didn't appreciate it too much (although it seemed to help her pass whatever might have caused the potential blockage). I'm going to leave her alone this week and let her have some "her time" while things normalize again.

    Thanks again for everything, guys! I'll be sure to keep everyone updated about her (especially if something goes screwy).
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    Hi, all. I'm just updating everyone on Lore's current status. She is still gaining weight (is now at 52 grams) and still seems healthy. She did shed today, and I had to help her get some stuck shed around her back toes (I blame that pudge gut of her's). She responded to the soak and subsequent removal well, and I'm not seeing any issues thus far with her new feeding schedule. I'll continue to provide weekly updates for a little while until I feel that she's pretty much good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer View Post
    Hi, all. I'm just updating everyone on Lore's current status. She is still gaining weight (is now at 52 grams) and still seems healthy. She did shed today, and I had to help her get some stuck shed around her back toes (I blame that pudge gut of her's). She responded to the soak and subsequent removal well, and I'm not seeing any issues thus far with her new feeding schedule. I'll continue to provide weekly updates for a little while until I feel that she's pretty much good.
    Thank you for Lore's update!
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Not a problem, dear. It's the least I can do! After all, a complete health record is one of the most valuable resources a pet owner can have; especially for exotics. It not only helps the owner keep track of previous issues, but also can help determine how to potentially help fix it in the future.

    It's also a good resource for your gecko's vet, as keeping a thread of your gecko's health can often provide a valuable timeline. I learned that with Lavi (though nothing really went "wrong" per say, it was more him being finicky), as my vet greatly appreciated me having accurate dates for everything.

    I honestly am so glad I joined this site. It's helped me so much!
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Hello, all. I think I spoke too soon. I noticed something odd today about Lore’s urate. The fecal part was fine: dark brown, well formed, no odor. Her urate was the normal size (about a third the size of the feces) and was white, but I noticed small yellow crystals in it as well. It almost looked like yellow glitter, if that makes sense. I also noticed it with Lavi as well, but he’s in shed, so I’d expect an odd fecal/urate sample from him right now.

    After doing some reading, I’ve come to five possible causes.

    A) Too many supplements: This would make more sense if I was still on my old schedule. But having switched to once a week supplements and only lightly dusting half her feeders shouldn’t be overdoing it!

    B) Feeders: The thread “Crystals in Urate” in this forum offered an interesting tidbit about how feeders that still have gutload in their systems could cause this sort of thing. I do feed my feeders directly from their gutload bin, so that could possibly be it.

    C) Dehydration: The only reason I think this might even be a possible cause is that I’ve cut back their feeding schedule to every other day. Since they aren’t getting constant moisture from their feeders anymore, they may not be getting enough moisture daily... even though I feed them both all they can eat in 15 minutes. But I keep their moist hides moist always, and they always have fresh water from a water dish cleaned daily with hot water, so I would be surprised if this was the case.

    D) Adjustment Period: It’s only been a week really since I switched their schedule around to every other day, so they could still be adjusting to the new schedule.

    E) Water: I've been giving them water from our tap (we have well water, not the chlorinated city stuff), but after testing our water with one of my dad's water testing kits, I found that our water would be considered "hard". I tested water from our fridge (it's filtered) and that came out good, so I'm going to switch them to water from there and see if that helps.

    I can’t say for sure which of these it could be, but I’m going to continue to monitor the situation and see if it gets better or worse. Any input would be great!
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    Ok all, it looks like the water is where the problem came from. I switched them to the filtered water and the yellow-y urate problem cleared right up! Lore is holding steady at 52 grams, so I'm going to try offering food for a little bit longer each feeding. Lavi is still gaining about 2 grams a week with the new schedule, and is currently at 37 grams.

    At any rate, I hope everyone has a happy New Year, and best of luck!
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