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    A week ago my leopard gecko Bruni was healthy and active and now he will not walk, lift his belly off the ground or eat on his own. He threw up last Thursday and I thought he had been over fed. Friday he shed and ate his shed but threw that up.as well. He also was laying with his back legs spread out and wouldn't push himself up. He went to the vet Monday and they said he didn't have parasites but was underweight at 42 grams (he's about 10 months old). They gave us critical carnivore and said to give him 3 mls twice a days until he builds up his strength. They also said to get him a uvb bulb. He has been tolerating the feedings well but he is still very lethargic. I took him back to the vet today and he has gained 10 grams which they were happy about but I was concerned that his feet were swollen. They did another exam and x-rays and said nothing is wrong. No gout, injury, parasites and his joints are good. I'm still very concerned because he still is not his normal self. The vet said to keep giving him the supplement and he would expect him to be walking normal by Monday. I still can understand how in 24 hours he went from well to so sick acting. I've included pictures of his normal stance and how he is now. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced anything similar.
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    He does seem to be standing up on all 4 legs in both pictures. You should ask the vet about gout. Some geckos who get too much protein end up with gout which may present as swollen joints. I don't think the prognosis is great, but you should talk to the vet and also google "gout and geckos".

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    The first picture is him laying and the second is his normal stance. They did check for gout and did x-rays and they can't find anything wrong.

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    • How old is Bruni?
    • Did the vet check for MBD? I don't see MBD on Bruni.
    • Is your vet an exotics specialist?

    Let's troubleshoot Bruni's supplements.

    What exact supplements have you been using? Do you lightly dust Bruni's prey or leave dishes in the enclosure for free access? Please list exact name, brand name, and frequency.
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    Bruni is about 10 months old. Monday the vet checked for parasites and said that was negative and he said we needed to get him a uvb bulb and that he was underweight and told us to feed him Oxbow Critical Carnivore 2 times a day (3ml). After feeding him the critical carnivore I felt like his feet were swollen and I took him back and they did x-rays and said it wasn't gout or injury (also said his feet weren't swollen or inflamed) and that his joints and bones looked fine. He gets his food dusted and he has a dish of calcium. It is Rep-Cal calcium with D3. I am including another picture from a few days before the throwing up incident and pictures from today. His feet have gotten worse since starting the critical carnivore and he is not I interested in any food. He doesn't go in his house and just lays around. The vet said he should be walking by Monday but I don't see that happening in the condition he's in. It's still crazy that he completely changed from perky and alert and 24 hours later he is lethargic amd will only slide around like snake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clynch726 View Post
    Bruni is about 10 months old. Monday the vet checked for parasites and said that was negative and he said we needed to get him a uvb bulb and that he was underweight and told us to feed him Oxbow Critical Carnivore 2 times a day (3ml). After feeding him the critical carnivore I felt like his feet were swollen and I took him back and they did x-rays and said it wasn't gout or injury (also said his feet weren't swollen or inflamed) and that his joints and bones looked fine. He gets his food dusted and he has a dish of calcium. It is Rep-Cal calcium with D3. I am including another picture from a few days before the throwing up incident and pictures from today. His feet have gotten worse since starting the critical carnivore and he is not I interested in any food. He doesn't go in his house and just lays around. The vet said he should be walking by Monday but I don't see that happening in the condition he's in. It's still crazy that he completely changed from perky and alert and 24 hours later he is lethargic amd will only slide around like snake.
    I'm sorry I missed Bruni's age in your initial post. I see Bruni's swollen front feet in image 2.

    I don't know whether vitamin D3 supplement overdose could cause any of Bruni's sudden difficulties. Rep-Cal's Calcium with D3 contains excessive vitamin D3. Even though D3 usually has a wide safety margin, there CAN be too much vitamin D3.

    I wouldn't use Rep-Cal's D3 any longer. Please switch to Zoo Med's supplements instead.

    Kindly answer each question.
    1. What would the vet say about hydrating with 3 mls of water or plain Pedialyte to replace 1 of 2 daily feedings a couple times per week??? That may flush out excess supplements???
    2. Some keepers use the word "calcium" to include calcium with D3. What type calcium are you keeping in his dish?
    3. Are you dusting ALL his food with D3 calcium + the dish?
    4. Were you heavily coating Bruni's prey with Rep-Cal's Calcium with D3 or lightly dusting it, like a sprinkling of powdered sugar on a cake?
    5. How often was Bruni eating?
    6. I would NOT add a UVB bulb or tube randomly.
    7. What size is Bruni's enclosure?
    8. Could you get a 2nd opinion from a different exotics vet?



    Weekly Schedule 124 for Leopard Geckos 0-12 months old
    (withOUT UVB)
    Metabolic bone disease (MBD) symptoms include uneven (lopsided) gait, walking on one or both "elbows", bowed limbs, belly dragging, and an underbite. Difficulty chewing should be closely monitored.
    The Reptile Supply Company (916-226-4089) based in Lodi, California stocks Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins withOUT D3.
    Lightly dust the prey 3x per week even when your leopard gecko eats daily. When your leo graduates to eating ~3x per week, still lightly dust the prey ONLY 3x per week.

    During this time (0-12 months old) your leopard gecko will be transitioning from daily feeding to feeding ~3x per week. This all depends upon how fast your leo grows!


    • Monday > > crickets or dubia lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
    • Tuesday > > mealworms, superworms, or black soldier fly larvae (Phoenix worms) > > no dusting
    • Wednesday > > crickets or dubia lightly dusted with pure precipitated calcium carbonate withOUT D3 (Zoo Med's Repti Calcium or NOW's human-grade pure calcium carbonate)
    • Thursday > > mealworms, superworms, or black soldier fly larvae (Phoenix worms) > > no dusting
    • Friday > > crickets or dubia lightly dusted with Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins withOUT D3
    • Saturday > > mealworms, superworms, or black soldier fly larvae (Phoenix worms) > > no dusting
    • Sunday > > no food or free choice > > no dusting
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    The critical carnivore is mixed with water but today I've only given him plain water since I feel the protein powder is causing his swelling.

    The calcium in his dish was the same Rep-Cal his food was dusted with.

    Not all his food was dusted. Only a couple times a week.

    He went through a spell of not eating every day in March but has been eating every day. He eats a mix of dubia, crickets and waxworms.

    He is in a 20 gallon tank with a warm hide with a mat under the bottom of the cage, a bamboo tube in the middle and his "poop" tree on the cool side. His tank is in the same order it's been in since we got him. The bamboo tube and a rock were added when he went into a 20 gallon a couple of months ago. He's on a carpet and not a loose substrate.

    Monday I plan on calling another vet. I believe the critical carnivore is too much protein for him and that caused the swelling because it started after giving it to him for two feedings. He ate a cricket today but I had to hand feed him. He is pooping well (mushy from the protein mix because it was solid until 2 days of mix) and passing urates. He is still lethargic and laying around and not lifting himself to walk or going in any of his hides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clynch726 View Post
    The critical carnivore is mixed with water but today I've only given him plain water since I feel the protein powder is causing his swelling.

    The calcium in his dish was the same Rep-Cal his food was dusted with.

    Not all his food was dusted. Only a couple times a week.


    He went through a spell of not eating every day in March but has been eating every day. He eats a mix of dubia, crickets and waxworms.

    He is in a 20 gallon tank with a warm hide with a mat under the bottom of the cage, a bamboo tube in the middle and his "poop" tree on the cool side. His tank is in the same order it's been in since we got him. The bamboo tube and a rock were added when he went into a 20 gallon a couple of months ago. He's on a carpet and not a loose substrate.

    Monday I plan on calling another vet. I believe the critical carnivore is too much protein for him and that caused the swelling because it started after giving it to him for two feedings. He ate a cricket today but I had to hand feed him. He is pooping well (mushy from the protein mix because it was solid until 2 days of mix) and passing urates. He is still lethargic and laying around and not lifting himself to walk or going in any of his hides.
    Thank so much!

    1. What do you think about only feeding him 3 mls of water x 2 feedings on Sunday, too? Gout can cause swelling.
    2. What is the temp on the ground underneath Bruni's warm DRY hide? I recommend 88-92*F right there.


    Even though you just dusted his prey about a couple times per week with Rep-Cal's Calcium with D3, there was also calcium with D3 in his dish. When keepers use dishes, they often put plain (no D3) calcium in that dish.

    Rep-Cal's Calcium with D3 contains 17x more D3 than Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 does!

    Just so you know: Vitamin D3 is a fat soluble vitamin. A single dose sticks around in a leo's body for about 1 week. 1 dose of D3 calcium + 1 dose of plain calcium carbonate metabolizes all that vitamin D3. It's not necessary to dose certain D3 supplements more than once per week.

    Waxworms are OK -- just a couple once a month. Waxworms are supposed to be high in vitamin C.

    I am sending you a PM.
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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