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    Hello! I’m new to this website so I’m sorry for any etiquette mistakes, but I’m desperate for some help or just to know what’s going on.

    My Leo’s name is Tomu, and she’s a 4 year old rescue. I don’t know her previous living situation, she was abandoned at a reptile shop near my home as a 2 year old adult and I took her from there, so we’re only tentatively sure of her age.

    She’s always been very good and happy, for the last two years I’ve had almost no issues with her except occasionally she would go a week or two refusing food, but always came around soon after. She lives in a tank alone with several hides, a mat for her substrate (nothing loose) and consistent water availability. Her humidity averages about 30-40% and her temperatures average about 95 degrees f.

    A few months ago she stopped eating regularly, and in the past month+ has stopped eating all together. Her diet consisted mostly of mealworms that I bought pre-gutloaded (vita bugs). I didn’t start to worry about her until I noticed her urate was bright yellow. I made an appointment with a vet and took her in, and the vet said she was “the healthiest leopard gecko” she’s ever seen, and said all she needed was a calcium boost and an appetite stimulant. I took her home and tried to feed her that night, only for her to eat just one worm, which was the last worm she’s eaten at this point.

    Since then she hasn’t eaten and other symptoms have shown up. She started squinting one eye, and then both eyes, and now hardly opens them. My vet provided her eye drops for this, but they never seemed to help. She started losing weight and struggling with her shed, so I assisted her with a warm bath. I brought her back to the vet about a week and a half ago, and the vet flushed her cloaca and managed to get a fresh fecal sample from it which she sent to the lab. They also swabbed her eyes to dissolve what was bothering her, though she is still squinting.

    She tested positive for pin worms and was prescribed a calcium booster prescription and a dewormer. She has taken the dewormer, about 2 days ago as of this posting, and today was the most worrying day.

    Her shed was stuck half-off-half-on, and I noticed dark red, bloody stool in her tank. When I turned her over, it looked like her cloaca was red and inflamed and very swollen. I gave her a warm bath, to help with the shed and fearing impaction, and as the shed started to come off it became clear that she had tried to pass urate and it got stuck under the shed. I cleaned it off and removed the shed covering her cloaca and along with her urate there was a red-ish ball? It’s somewhat translucent and looked gooey while maintaining its shape, though I’m not sure if that’s from it soaking in water beforehand. Once removed (and photographed and put in a plastic bag for the vet) her cloaca seemed perfectly fine and clean.

    I’ve emailed her vet but in the mean time I was wondering if anyone had ANY idea what could be happening here. My multiple months of google searches have yielded nothing that matches well and now it’s even more confusing. I’m so worried about my little girl, I don’t want her to suffer.

    I have images of her stool and the red ball she passed, and I’m willing to send them in messages for further context if needed/requested.

    Thank you!
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    Hello! I’m new to this website so I’m sorry for any etiquette mistakes, but I’m desperate for some help or just to know what’s going on.

    Welcome to Geckos Unlimited, tomudad! Let's troubleshoot.


    My Leo’s name is Tomu, and she’s a 4 year old rescue. I don’t know her previous living situation, she was abandoned at a reptile shop near my home as a 2 year old adult and I took her from there, so we’re only tentatively sure of her age.

    She’s always been very good and happy, for the last two years I’ve had almost no issues with her except occasionally she would go a week or two refusing food, but always came around soon after. She lives in a tank alone with several hides, a mat for her substrate (nothing loose) and consistent water availability. Her humidity averages about 30-40% and her temperatures average about 95 degrees f.

    What dimensions is Tomu's enclosure? Let's adjust her ground temps like this.

    Do you have a thermostat for Tomu's enclosure?

    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun. Set your thermostat at 91*F/32.8*C.

    Tape the thermostat's probe and a digital thermometer's probe together, but offset a little. Place them right on top of the substrate underneath the warm dry hide. If you use a UTH + a CHE you'll need 2 separate thermostats, because ground and air temperatures are substantially different.

    • Warm dry hide ground temperature: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) inside a leo's warm dry hide.
    • Warm humid/moist hide: Place the humid hide 100% on top of the heat mat. Keep temperatures similar to the warm dry hide.
    • Cool dry hide ground temperature: 70ish-75 F (21.1-23.9 C) Usually the cool end ground temperature matches the room temperature where the enclosure sits.
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) surface temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) surface temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the cool end

    Leave your heat mat on 24/7 IF ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C). If NOT, during the night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off)

    A few months ago she stopped eating regularly, and in the past month+ has stopped eating all together. Her diet consisted mostly of mealworms that I bought pre-gutloaded (vita bugs). I didn’t start to worry about her until I noticed her urate was bright yellow. I made an appointment with a vet and took her in, and the vet said she was “the healthiest leopard gecko” she’s ever seen, and said all she needed was a calcium boost and an appetite stimulant. I took her home and tried to feed her that night, only for her to eat just one worm, which was the last worm she’s eaten at this point.

    Was this vet an exotics specialist?

    Bright yellow urates might indicate dehydration.

    Bugs & worms need gutloading 24/7. I don't believe pre-gutloaded bug or worms count. I use finely ground Zoo Med's Natural ADULT Bearded Dragon Food to gutload all my gecko's crickets. This ADULT bearded dragon food contains just the right amount of retinol + many other healthy ingredients.


    Since then she hasn’t eaten and other symptoms have shown up. She started squinting one eye, and then both eyes, and now hardly opens them. My vet provided her eye drops for this, but they never seemed to help. She started losing weight and struggling with her shed, so I assisted her with a warm bath. I brought her back to the vet about a week and a half ago, and the vet flushed her cloaca and managed to get a fresh fecal sample from it which she sent to the lab. They also swabbed her eyes to dissolve what was bothering her, though she is still squinting.

    Did the vet find any stuck eye shed?

    What brand, frequency, and exact name are the powdered supplements you're using? I highly recommend a multivitamin that contains pre-formed vitamin A (retinol). A leo only needs a tiny pinch. Retinol reduces eye & skin problems.


    She tested positive for pin worms and was prescribed a calcium booster prescription and a dewormer. She has taken the dewormer, about 2 days ago as of this posting, and today was the most worrying day.

    Her shed was stuck half-off-half-on, and I noticed dark red, bloody stool in her tank. When I turned her over, it looked like her cloaca was red and inflamed and very swollen. I gave her a warm bath, to help with the shed and fearing impaction, and as the shed started to come off it became clear that she had tried to pass urate and it got stuck under the shed. I cleaned it off and removed the shed covering her cloaca and along with her urate there was a red-ish ball? It’s somewhat translucent and looked gooey while maintaining its shape, though I’m not sure if that’s from it soaking in water beforehand. Once removed (and photographed and put in a plastic bag for the vet) her cloaca seemed perfectly fine and clean.

    Good job! Please share a current image of Tomu.

    Hornworms are good for impaction & hydration since they're 85% moisture.


    I’ve emailed her vet but in the mean time I was wondering if anyone had ANY idea what could be happening here. My multiple months of google searches have yielded nothing that matches well and now it’s even more confusing. I’m so worried about my little girl, I don’t want her to suffer.

    I have images of her stool and the red ball she passed, and I’m willing to send them in messages for further context if needed/requested.

    Thank you!

    You're welcome. I hope these ideas help Tomu.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-25-2021 at 03:07 AM.
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