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    Quote Originally Posted by Andi View Post
    so the Leo I'm having issues with has historically been a Meal Worm addict. I would say for the first 7 years of her life she almost exclusively ate Meal Worms. I always offer crickets and occasionally she would eat a couple (1 or 2), but for the most part, Meal Worms have been her staple. Since she started taking Dubias about a year ago, she has been pretty much eating them exclusively.
    I have to learn how to quote more than one reply at a time��.
    Yes this forum is very informative. Hopefully it's something minor and she makes full recovery. Please keep us informed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blush50 View Post
    I have to learn how to quote more than one reply at a time��.
    Yes this forum is very informative. Hopefully it's something minor and she makes full recovery. Please keep us informed.
    Blush50 ~ Do you see the + button to the right of "Reply With Quote"? Press that button on each thread you'd like to quote & then reply. That should give you the multi-quoted post you're looking for.

    You could try that & then delete the 1-by-1 replies you have made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    9 yo for a leo is more a "young middle age".

    What is her Repashy's Calcium Plus schedule? Is that the only supplement you use? How heavily or lightly do you dust her prey?

    Do you feed her bugs or worms some dry maintenance diet in addition to some veggies?

    How does your leo's schedule compare with Aliza's recommendations?
    Quote Originally Posted by Andi View Post
    the leo i'm talking about has historically been addicted to Meal worms her entire life (I got her eating Dubias the last year), so I would generally dust her mealworms every time I feed her (because I find the powder doesn't really stick to Mealworms as well as Crickets). In the last year I have switched her over to Dubias, but I still dust every feeding. Ever since she had her tail amputated, I have been feeding her slightly more often (but not as much), she eats about 1-2 Dubias every 3 days now.

    My other Leo is showing zero signs of swelling in any of her arms, and seems to be moving around just fine. She refuses mealworms, so I have historically given her crickets as a staple, but she will also eat hornworms and roaches. Since the calcium plus really sticks to crickets I will dust her food 2/3 feedings.
    Quote Originally Posted by Andi View Post
    I just noticed the swelling this week, I have noticed the swelling in her back right knee actually go down and subside a little, but I also noticed swelling in her front right knee, which is what prompted me to make this post.

    I have not yet informed my vet, but it's something I'm prepared to do. I actually wanted to get advice from the forum first b/c this forum has a lot more LG experience than my vet does.
    I've read all your posts to date.

    I'd like to know
    1. So you're currently dusting this leo's dubia 2-3x per week ("every 3 days")?
    2. Did you check out link 144? I've never used Repashy's Calcium Plus, but Aliza (acpart) used it in her former leopard gecko breeding program & now. She's the person who recommended cutting back dusting to exactly what Schedule 144 recommends.
    3. IF you're dusting more often than this schedule recommends, then please cut back dustings.
    4. Do you feed this leo's dubia a dry maintenance diet 24/7 + some veggies on the side?
    5. Are you keeping a water dish in her enclosure 24/7? She may be drinking secretly.
    6. Feeder Nutrition Insect Chart by dubiaroaches .com
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    All leos are different -- just like people.

    It sounds like this leo may be having arthritis-related symptoms. Gout is included in that. Unfortunately vets don't often have all the answers we look for, because of their gecko experience levels.
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    yes, I have cut back on the dusting. I've also stopped giving her dubias. She is actually with the vet now. Her swelling seems to have gotten slightly better, but it's still noticeable. Oddly enough, she took crickets 2x in a row, and her appetite seems to be great.

    I keep water in her hide 24/7, and a moist hide (terra cotta hide), and I feed the feeders veggies (usually carrots, but also potatoes, banana, broccoli stalks, whatever scraps I have available).

    I also think it's a Gout/arthritis related issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andi View Post
    yes, I have cut back on the dusting. I've also stopped giving her dubias. She is actually with the vet now. Her swelling seems to have gotten slightly better, but it's still noticeable. Oddly enough, she took crickets 2x in a row, and her appetite seems to be great.

    I keep water in her hide 24/7, and a moist hide (terra cotta hide), and I feed the feeders veggies (usually carrots, but also potatoes, banana, broccoli stalks, whatever scraps I have available).

    I also think it's a Gout/arthritis related issue.
    Many thanks for your reply, Andi! IF her vet has feedback, please share.

    Perhaps she would love an 8 ounce water dish somewhere on her cool end too?

    It's important to feed a low phosphorus dry diet to your leo's feeders 24/7 to cover the basics + veggies. Professional Reptiles' Pro Gutload is a good dry diet. Low phosphorus is vital, since many feeders are super high in phosphorus!

    *** Professional Reptiles' Pro Gutload ***: manufactured by Cody Castellanos 1-775-359-1085
    Pro Gutload is a healthy, low phosphorus, dry diet/bedding for mealworms/superworms and bugs too! After you get mealworms, replace the bedding they come in with already ground Professional Reptiles' Pro Gutload. Keep your mealworms at room temperature & in 6 quart plastic Sterilite tubs with bedding & ventilation, NOT in the refrigerator.


    Gutload Ingredients for Bugs & Worms . . . . . . thanks to Olimpia -- August 2013

    "A commercial gut loading food like Bug Burger or Superload (both by Repashy), Cricket Crack, Dinofuel, etc. is going to make your life easier AND provide a nutritious diet to your crickets at the same time. Avoid Fluker's gutloads, as they are super feeble in their formulas.

    "If you opt for making your own gutload at home, here's a list of great ingredients to use:
    BEST: mustard greens, turnip greens, dandelion flowers & leaves, collard greens, escarole lettuce, papaya, watercress, and alfalfa.
    GOOD: sweet potato, carrots, (oranges), mango, butternut squash, kale, apples, beet greens, blackberries, bok choy, and green beans.
    DRY FOOD: bee pollen, organic non-salted sunflower seeds, spirulina, dried seaweed, flax seed, and organic non-salted almonds.
    AVOID AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE: potatoes, cabbage, iceberg lettuce, romaine lettuce, spinach, broccoli, tomatoes, corn, grains, beans, oats, bread, cereal, meat, eggs, dog food, cat food, fish food, canned or dead insects, vertebrates."
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    I’m trying to picture 8 ounces. Big enough to soak? A dish big enough to lay in may help her cool down at and help humidity(if needed).

    Do you use a UVB bulb? UV light is said to help humans with chronic kidney disease. It may help with renal insufficiency. At least it’s worth a try if used following Elizabeth’s safety guidelines. Thanks for the update
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blush50 View Post
    I’m trying to picture 8 ounces. Big enough to soak? A dish big enough to lay in may help her cool down at minimum and help humidity(if needed).

    Do you use a UVB bulb? UV light is said to help humans with chronic kidney disease. It may help with renal insufficiency. At least it’s worth a try if used following safety guidelines. Thanks for the update
    For a leo soak, a dish should be more spacious than what I'm describing with belly-deep water. 8 ounces of water = a 1.5 inch deep x 3.75 inch diameter bowl (just the size of some 8 ounce measuring cups).
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    Not sure what happened last week, but the site would not let me log in.

    So....my experience with the vet was a very confusing one. He is adamant that my Leo doesn't have Arthritis or Gout, and he told me that Dubia Roaches don't cause gout, but instead Mealworms are more likely to cause gout. He told me that the swelling in her front knee is due to an infection b/c of stuck shed.

    Now, I've had my Leos for close to 9 years, so I know what stuck shed looks like, and I can confirm she did have a little stuck shed on her toe nails, but nothing that would cause constriction or restriction....he did inform that she had a tiny little cut on one of her toes, which could potentially lead to the infection, which I noticed AFTER I picked her up. So I'm wondering if he actually caused this injury.

    That said, the range of motion in her back knee doesn't look great either, and I asked him how an infection in a toe could impact two legs, and he didn't seem to have an answer for that.

    I even asked him if it could be MBD, and he said no to that as well.

    He's currently giving her antibiotic injections for two weeks which started last Thursday.

    Her appetite is great. Her urates and poop look great. I have started using a UVB bulb the last few months, ever since I had an issue with her tail.

    This vet did a pretty good job with her tail amputation, so I'd like to believe he knows what he's talking about, but I have my doubts, reason being is after her tail started to regenerate, I noticed the tiniest bit of tail rot on her tail and I took her back to him, and he told he couldn't even see it, and said the tail looks fine, but when I asked for the antibiotic cream, he gave me some. And btw, the very tip of her tail was necrotic, and it did end up healing with the cream....so if he couldn't see that, how does he see stuck shed that I never noticed?

    I have also since stopped giving her Dubias, and have been giving her Crickets the last week+.
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    He also suggested a soaking pan in her cage 24/7, and that I soak her 2x a week moving forward.

    I personally don't even think it's a shedding issue....and I keep her terra cotta hide full with water 24/7.

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    my experience with the vet was a very confusing one.

    I see why.

    and he told me that Dubia Roaches don't cause gout, but instead Mealworms are more likely to cause gout

    I wonder if this is based on purine content and in human consumption. I do know roaches store Uric acid.

    I’m very glad to hear she is eating, urate and feces look great. No radiograph at least for reassurance?
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