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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamk3691 View Post
    I have a really wierd question, but how is your leo tanks setup,and what tank do you use,I only ask because I have a 10 gallon tank a big rock hide and a log and I feel that's not interesting to my gecko,and it's a little small
    Did you see my "LAST" edit to post 29?

    Here's my leo's enclosure. She's 9 inches from snout to tail tip. Her weight ranges between the low 60-70 grams. It's a 20 gallon long: 30 x 12 x 12 inches. That's really a bare minimum for an adult leo.

    DSC_0159.jpg DSC_0142.jpg DSC_0143.jpg DSC_0177.jpg DSC_0179.jpg DSC_0145.jpg
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

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    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Did you see my "LAST" edit to post 29?

    Here's my leo's enclosure. She's 9 inches from snout to tail tip. Her weight ranges between the low 60-70 grams. It's a 20 gallon long: 30 x 12 x 12 inches. That's really a bare minimum for an adult leo.

    DSC_0159.jpg DSC_0142.jpg DSC_0143.jpg DSC_0177.jpg DSC_0179.jpg DSC_0145.jpg
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    OK so i only have the red light on so it helps with the heat, the heat mat is losing heat so I will replace, I have the red bulb because pets mart talked my parents into getting it, normally I just have a small little light bulb on during the day, but when I get another heat mat the red bulb stays on.

    He has like maybe 3 inches of space between the hides to roam, and I found out Ender is A MALE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamk3691 View Post
    20170716_214933.jpg

    OK so i only have the red light on so it helps with the heat, the heat mat is losing heat so I will replace, I have the red bulb because pets mart talked my parents into getting it, normally I just have a small little light bulb on during the day, but when I get another heat mat the red bulb stays on.

    He has like maybe 3 inches of space between the hides to roam, and I found out Ender is A MALE
    A hearty welcome to your male, Ender!

    I know how cramped a 10 gallon feels. Check out $-per-gallon sales at big box stores. They happen frequently.

    When you upgrade to a 20 long (at least), get an 11 x 17 inch heat mat. Fluker's and Ultratherm make that size.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    A hearty welcome to your male, Ender!

    I know how cramped a 10 gallon feels. Check out $-per-gallon sales at big box stores. They happen frequently.

    When you upgrade to a 20 long (at least), get an 11 x 17 inch heat mat. Fluker's and Ultratherm make that size.
    OK THANK YOU.

    Should I purchase anything else when I upgrade, and I might upgrade around Christmas time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamk3691 View Post
    OK THANK YOU.

    Should I purchase anything else when I upgrade, and I might upgrade around Christmas time
    You are welcome.
    • How about a $20 Apollo thermostat at Christmas too? Amazon gives it a good rating.
    • I prefer hides with small doorways. I think a leo feels more hidden then and out of "harm's way". The really open hide on the right side of my leo's enclosure is her cool hide. She actually uses this hide for her outhouse!

    Mature males are sometimes heavier than females. So you might even consider a 40 gallon breeder tank. Those are 36 x 18 x 17 inches. Then use heat cables for heat or two Ultratherm 8 x 18 inch Ultratherm heat mats side-by-side. Be sure to verify ALL measurements BEFORE you order any 8 x 18 inch heat mats.

    Heat cables aren't difficult to put on. kholtme (Kyle) made a how-to video that's posted on GU.

    Copy the red cables in this picture for a more gradual thermal gradient.

    16473552_750768792702_6750947765179603186_n.jpg

    You've got about 4 months to find all sorts of cage furniture Ender might appreciate.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-19-2017 at 05:57 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    You are welcome.
    • How about a $20 Apollo thermostat at Christmas too? Amazon gives it a good rating.
    • I prefer hides with small doorways. I think a leo feels more hidden then and out of "harm's way". The really open hide on the right side of my leo's enclosure is her cool hide. She actually uses this hide for her outhouse!

    Mature males are sometimes heavier than females. So you might even consider a 40 gallon breeder tank. Those are 36 x 18 x 17 inches. Then use heat cables for heat or two Ultratherm 8 x 18 inch Ultratherm heat mats side-by-side. Be sure to verify ALL measurements BEFORE you order any 8 x 18 inch heat mats.

    Heat cables aren't difficult to put on. kholtme (Kyle) made a how-to video that's posted on GU.

    Copy the red cables in this picture for a more gradual thermal gradient.

    16473552_750768792702_6750947765179603186_n.jpg

    You've got about 4 months to find all sorts of cage furniture Ender might appreciate.
    Do you think I could possibly just get a 181818, or 182424 exo terra tank that way its wider so he can roam around, and couldn't I make a hide with like a Styrofoam bowl, I've seen like those tiny caves and they look like a flattened Styrofoam bowl, and thermostat, I can possibly get, and can I also just get a 20 gallon heat mat. ALSO how often should i replace the heat mat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamk3691 View Post
    Do you think I could possibly just get a 181818, or 182424 exo terra tank that way its wider so he can roam around, and couldn't I make a hide with like a Styrofoam bowl, I've seen like those tiny caves and they look like a flattened Styrofoam bowl, and thermostat, I can possibly get, and can I also just get a 20 gallon heat mat. ALSO how often should i replace the heat mat
    A "20 gallon" heat mat does NOT work for a 20 gallon high or a 20 gallon LONG. Go by the actual dimensions of the heat mat, not the published ratings or the wattages. The heat mat should cover 1/2 the length of the tank and from side-to-side as closely as possible. (That sizing chart may be the reason your current heat mat does not put out enough heat for your 10 gallon.)

    A heat mat should last a LONG time. All hides can be homemade. Leos don't mind at all. In fact, they're grateful they have choices.

    For a leo it's length, not height, that's important. A long tank lets you easily provide a warm end, cool end (a thermal gradient). Any height greater than 12 inches is lost unless you plan to build an upper layer.
    • An 18 x 18 x 18 is no better than a 10 gallon. (Your current 10 gallon is probably 20 x 10.5 inches wide.)
    • A 24 x 18 (x 12 inches tall (Exo Terra's "medium low" even) is still very small.
    • The very best Exo Terra to buy for a leopard gecko is a 36 x 18 x 12 inches tall.

    For a 20 long, an 11 x 17 inch mat is the closest it comes.

    PetSmart is carrying 20 longs (and other sizes) with front doors now. Check out their prices.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    A "20 gallon" heat mat does NOT work for a 20 gallon high or a 20 gallon LONG. Go by the actual dimensions of the heat mat, not the published ratings or the wattages. The heat mat should cover 1/2 the length of the tank and from side-to-side as closely as possible. (That sizing chart may be the reason your current heat mat does not put out enough heat for your 10 gallon.)

    A heat mat should last a LONG time. All hides can be homemade. Leos don't mind at all. In fact, they're grateful they have choices.

    For a leo it's length, not height, that's important. A long tank lets you easily provide a warm end, cool end (a thermal gradient). Any height greater than 12 inches is lost unless you plan to build an upper layer.
    • An 18 x 18 x 18 is no better than a 10 gallon. (Your current 10 gallon is probably 20 x 10.5 inches wide.)
    • A 24 x 18 (x 12 inches tall (Exo Terra's "medium low" even) is still very small.
    • The very best Exo Terra to buy for a leopard gecko is a 36 x 18 x 12 inches tall.

    For a 20 long, an 11 x 17 inch mat is the closest it comes.

    PetSmart is carrying 20 longs (and other sizes) with front doors now. Check out their prices.
    Can you send a link I can't seemake to find those, and I got my UTH working it was unplugged on accident

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamk3691 View Post
    Can you send a link I can't seemake to find those, and I got my UTH working it was unplugged on accident
    Nice plugging in your UTH!

    The very best Exo Terra to buy for a leopard gecko is a 36 x 18 x 12 inches tall.

    /\ That product is available. Just place the name in a Google search bar and hit enter.

    See whether PetSmart makes the same size with front doors.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Homework: Please sit down today with a computer and re-read this thread. You may find posts you missed on your cell phone.

    Then click on the Table of Contents link in my signature. You're missing a whole lot of info by not looking.

    Here are two examples of a warm moist hides.

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    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-23-2017 at 03:20 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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