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    Start off with my temps:
    cool side ambient 72.5
    cool side hide 70.5
    mid-cage ambient 74-75
    warm side ambient 81-82
    warm hide floor (on UTH) 87.0
    Moist hide (on UTH and under mirco CHE) 82-84

    all ambient temps measured with digital thermometers and double checked daily with a IR temp gun.

    The hottest point in the cage is on top of the butter dish I use as a moist hide - about 93-95* - this is about 8 inches below the mini CHE. I also have a magnetic shelf on the warm side of the cage that is 88-90* near the CHE.

    These two spots, (The shelf and the top of the moist hide) are Nel's favorite places to be. She comes out a few times a day and sprawls flat as possible on the warm spots. It is clearly a 'basking' position. When she's done she goes elsewhere in the cage. She is using all hides equally, just seems to really like the heat. Is this normal for some juveniles? She's about 4-5 months old.
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    Some geckos (juveniles as well as adults) seem to prefer being out in the open and some like the hides. I don't know if she's enjoying the heat or the openness or both. One thing to try, maybe, is to raise the ground temp under the warm hide to the low 90's and see if anything changes.

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    From your heat survey, Nel likes the warmest places in her enclosure several times per day.

    1. Do any of your digital thermometers have probes?
    2. Do the ground temps and the IR measurements coincide?
    3. I'm curious about your magnetic shelf. Which one does Nel use?

    Here are the temp specs I prefer.
    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C).

    Place the thermostat's probe and a digital thermometer's probe together right on top of the substrate underneath the warm dry hide. If you use a UTH + a CHE you'll need 2 separate thermostats, because ground and air temperatures are substantially different.

    • Warm dry hide ground temperature: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) inside a leo's warm dry hide.
    • Warm humid/moist hide: Also place the humid hide 100% on top of the heat mat. Keep temperatures similar to the warm dry hide.
    • Cool dry hide ground temperature: 70ish-75 F (21.1-23.9 C) Usually the cool end ground temperature matches the room temperature where the enclosure sits.
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the cool end

    Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7. If you wish, during the night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    From your heat survey, Nel likes the warmest places in her enclosure several times per day.

    1. Do any of your digital thermometers have probes? All of the digital thermometers have probes and the probes rest inside the hides, the ambient one is about 3 inches off the floor of the cage.
    2. Do the ground temps and the IR measurements coincide? The IR measurement is usually about 0.8*F- 1*F higher than the digital thermometer readings
    3. I'm curious about your magnetic shelf. Which one does Nel use? There are two "magnaturals rock ledges" in the cage, one on the cool side and one on the warm side. She uses the warm one mostly around dawn and dusk and right after eating. I'm guessing this is natural behavior to warm up before being active over night / when digesting. She will hang out on the cool side during the day, just spends more on the warm one.

    Here are the temp specs I prefer.
    I will try and bump the floor temp of her UTH up to around 90* and see what happens. She does go from hot hide to cool hide during the day and uses the moist hide when she's heading into shed. She has a mix of tile and paper towel substrate.

    **Also, as of this am - our AC went out...so even with fans going the apt is about 77 right now so the tank temps are higher than normal today - both geckos are staying on the cool sides now
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpottedDragon View Post
    I will try and bump the floor temp of her UTH up to around 90* and see what happens. She does go from hot hide to cool hide during the day and uses the moist hide when she's heading into shed. She has a mix of tile and paper towel substrate.

    **Also, as of this am - our AC went out...so even with fans going the apt is about 77 right now so the tank temps are higher than normal today - both geckos are staying on the cool sides now
    Let us know how your experiment with heating goes. It's a good thing that Nel uses her entire enclosure!

    I hope you get AC back soon. I rarely even use my living room ceiling fan. I have 2 stand-up floor fans just in case.
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    I have no AC at all (and don't want it). The temps in New England can get into the 90's in my living room, but not the whole summer. Everyone does fine, even the Rhacs.

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    Well, since my earlier post I uped the floor temp in the hot hide just a bit - now 90*F to match the shelf near the micro CHE. She has spent most of the day in her cool hide, spent early evening in the hot hide - but as soon as the lights went off at 8:30 she was up on her shelf - looking out at the living room like a real leopard looking over the vast savanna lol.
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    I think she just likes the height. I think its cute - she was sooo shy when I first got her and now she is calm and eats from my hand.

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    *I will note that I have the micro CHE's over the moist hide only because the sphagnum moss in it never get over 80* despite being directly on the UTH. The micros are only 40 W and don't seem to affect temps outside of their radius. With the CHEs the moss temp is around 84-86*.
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    Nel is adorable just hanging out on that ledge in your photo. She has soooo many options.
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