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    Quote Originally Posted by ccapasso View Post
    Yes. It is hard to see in the pic but there are (2) entrances to it. Right now, Anthem loves to hide in there (prefers it over the warm side at the moment).


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    Maybe Anthem prefers this hide on the cool end, because she's more secluded than inside the stair step hide on the right side? How about making the left side the warm end instead?

    Analog/circle thermometers really only show ballpark temps. It is crucial to know ground temps on either end as measured by a digital thermometer with a probe. Zoo Med makes a yellow one that costs about $10.

    She'll need 88-92*F ground temp under the warm dry hide and 70-75ish ground temperature on the cool end.

    How are you managing Anthem's supplements?
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 01-04-2021 at 05:37 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quick update:

    I went ahead and ordered the 20L from PetCo since it was on sale (along with a new lid).

    Here are the next steps I'm thinking of taking:
    * Purchasing a 60W Ceramic Heat Emitter
    * Purchasing (2) Thermostats (one for CHE and other for heat mat)
    * Purchasing a digital thermometer for the cool side
    * Purchasing new substrate. Will either be the slate tile or non-adhesive shelf liner (I heard this is OK to use?).
    @Elizabeth Freer, you mentioned you used (2) of the cheese trays in your 20L. How did they fit? Did you have to cut them?

    Regarding supplements, I purchased the following and have used it once so far:
    https://www.amazon.com/Exo-Terra-Cal.../dp/B001B57INA

    Thus far, we've only been able to get him to eat mealworms. I've tried baby crickets but no luck yet.
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    How long is Anthem?

    Right now my slate trays overlap each other length-wise. I haven't had them trimmed. There's about 2 inches excess in length. The width = 1.8 inches. A 20 long is about 12 inches wide.

    Many folks use non-adhesive shelf liner for their leo's floor.

    I tape my digital's probe to my thermostat's probe, just offset a bit. This way I see how close the measurements are. It's crucial to know the warm end temps!

    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C).

    Tape the thermostat's probe and a digital thermometer's probe together, but offset a little. Place them right on top of the substrate underneath the warm dry hide. If you use a UTH + a CHE you'll need 2 separate thermostats, because ground and air temperatures are substantially different.

    • Warm dry hide ground temperature: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) inside a leo's warm dry hide.
    • Warm humid/moist hide: Place the humid hide 100% on top of the heat mat. Keep temperatures similar to the warm dry hide.
    • Cool dry hide ground temperature: 70ish-75 F (21.1-23.9 C) Usually the cool end ground temperature matches the room temperature where the enclosure sits.
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) surface temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) surface temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the cool end

    Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7. If you wish, during the night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).

    I use Zoo Med's supplements for all my geckos. Here's the schedule I recommend for Anthem.

    Weekly Schedule 124 for Leopard Geckos 0-12 months old
    (withOUT UVB)
    Metabolic bone disease (MBD) symptoms include uneven (lopsided) gait, walking on one or both "elbows", bowed limbs, belly dragging, and an underbite. Difficulty chewing should be closely monitored.
    The Reptile Supply Company based in Lodi, California stocks Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins withOUT D3.
    During this time your leopard gecko will be transitioning from daily feeding to feeding 3x per week. This all depends upon how fast your leo grows!

    Feed lightly dusted prey 3x per week.

    • Monday > > crickets or dubia lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
    • Tuesday > > mealworms, superworms, or black soldier fly larvae (Phoenix worms) > > no dusting
    • Wednesday > > crickets or dubia lightly dusted with pure precipitated calcium carbonate withOUT D3 (Zoo Med's Repti Calcium or NOW human brand calcium)
    • Thursday > > mealworms, superworms, or black soldier fly larvae (Phoenix worms) > > no dusting
    • Friday > > crickets or dubia lightly dusted with Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins withOUT D3
    • Saturday > > mealworms, superworms, or black soldier fly larvae (Phoenix worms) > > no dusting
    • Sunday > > no food or free choice > > no dusting



    For link 124 click: Weekly Feeding & Supplement Schedule 124 for leopard geckos 0-12 months old
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 01-05-2021 at 04:05 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    How long is Anthem?
    Hard to say for sure, having never measure him, but best guess is about 4" or so.

    Many folks use non-adhesive shelf liner for their leo's floor.
    If I do this, it does not need sealed like the slate correct?

    Couple of additional follow up questions:

    * When I replace the current light with the 60W CHE, can I just use the current light as a viewing light and only turn on when we want to view ?
    * The kit also came with a night light. From what I was reading, it sounds like this too is not needed correct ?
    * At what point should we attempt to hold/handle Anthem ? We've only had him for about a week now.
    * I noticed today when I moved his hide and he came out, that his color was a bit off. I tried to get a picture but he ran into the rock structure and hid in there. I didn't want to disturb him anymore so let him be. The best I can describe it would be a bit of a "lighter" color. I assume this is the start of his first shed ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccapasso View Post
    Hard to say for sure, having never measure him, but best guess is about 4" or so.



    If I do this, it does not need sealed like the slate correct?

    Couple of additional follow up questions:

    * When I replace the current light with the 60W CHE, can I just use the current light as a viewing light and only turn on when we want to view ?
    * The kit also came with a night light. From what I was reading, it sounds like this too is not needed correct ?
    * At what point should we attempt to hold/handle Anthem ? We've only had him for about a week now.
    * I noticed today when I moved his hide and he came out, that his color was a bit off. I tried to get a picture but he ran into the rock structure and hid in there. I didn't want to disturb him anymore so let him be. The best I can describe it would be a bit of a "lighter" color. I assume this is the start of his first shed ?
    Is Anthem's humid hide nice & warm? That works best for shedding.

    A shelf liner = a thin piece of flexible plastic sheeting. It wouldn't be sealed.

    If the "night light" is red or blue, many gecko folks don't advise using it.

    A leo needs some dim light in order to distinguish day from night. What wattage is the current bulb you speak of? For a viewing light a low wattage light works best. You might dim the current bulb with a Lutron rheostat. Sometimes leos dodge bright lights. I keep a 15 watt incandescent bulb dimmed to half power by a Lutron rheostat in a 5.5 inch dome ON about 12 hours per day. That's quite sufficient for watching Cha when she's out & about.


    *** Anthem needs 2 other supplements. Exo Terra's D3 at 1 feeding per week isn't enough for a growing leo. Using that more often is not advised. She also needs plain calcium carbonate + Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins withOUT D3. I know that's difficult to find online. I think I gave you some sources.

    I recommend letting Anthem settle in for about 1 month prior to handling.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 01-06-2021 at 11:54 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Is Anthem's humid hide nice & warm? That works best for shedding.
    Anthem's current humid hide isn't as warm as I'd like (since it is that fish bowl thing right now). The new one should be coming in today .

    On a positive note, it looks like he/she (unsure at this time) was indeed shedding:
    Attachment 49509
    Attachment 49510

    From what we can see this morning, all of the shed seems to be off, but I'll be taking a closer look later today to confirm.

    * The night bulb is indeed a blue/black bulb (not 100% on the exact color but it looks kind of purple when on)
    * I believe the current daylight is a 50W but would have to take it out to confirm. Either way, it isn't dimmable. I could look at getting a dimmable bulb at some point, otherwise, we could just use whatever lighting is in the room (not direct sunlight of course).
    * Thanks for the info on the supplements. I'll take a look at the links you provided previously and see what I can find to pickup.

    Appreciate the feedback about handling and the shelf liner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccapasso View Post
    Anthem's current humid hide isn't as warm as I'd like (since it is that fish bowl thing right now). The new one should be coming in today .

    On a positive note, it looks like he/she (unsure at this time) was indeed shedding:
    Attachment 49509
    Attachment 49510

    From what we can see this morning, all of the shed seems to be off, but I'll be taking a closer look later today to confirm.

    * The night bulb is indeed a blue/black bulb (not 100% on the exact color but it looks kind of purple when on)
    * I believe the current daylight is a 50W but would have to take it out to confirm. Either way, it isn't dimmable. I could look at getting a dimmable bulb at some point, otherwise, we could just use whatever lighting is in the room (not direct sunlight of course).
    * Thanks for the info on the supplements. I'll take a look at the links you provided previously and see what I can find to pickup.

    Appreciate the feedback about handling and the shelf liner.
    You're welcome! Please try attaching those photos again. They don't work.

    All supplements are NOT equal. Anthem will thrive on Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins withOUT D3 + plain calcium carbonate like Zoo Med's Repti Calcium withOUT D3 (or NOW's brand human calcium carbonate).

    Humid hides should be 80*F +. Placing this hide directly on top of the heat mat is a good way to get those temps. A cool damp leo is susceptible to upper respiratory infections like pneumonia.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 01-06-2021 at 12:15 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Sexing Leopard Geckos -- A leopard gecko's gender can be confirmed when that leo is over 5 inches in total length. That may happen when the leo is near 6 months old. Males can be distinguished from females by a distinct /\-shaped row of pores above the vent and by two hemipenal bulges below the vent. To see their vents, potential male pores, and hemipenal bulges gently press their bodies up against the glass. They'll squirm if you try to turn them over.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Not sure what's up with images, sorry. I uploaded them to imgur for larger viewing:

    https://imgur.com/hB1q6Vj

    https://imgur.com/cSOZdDQ

    Also, all (3) Supplements suggested have been ordered
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccapasso View Post
    Not sure what's up with images, sorry. I uploaded them to imgur for larger viewing:

    https://imgur.com/hB1q6Vj

    https://imgur.com/cSOZdDQ
    Is he working on the remaining shed?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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