California Govt. executes Stanley "Tookie" William

It has just been announced around 12:40 AM Pacific that California Govt. & San Quentin State Prison officials have executed Crips Gang Co-Founder Stanley "Tookie" Williams!!! Sad to hear that though... :(





http://news.yahoo.com/







Anyone here in this board who feel like discussing about this event in your own views, opinions, and expressions are more than welcomed too!!
Good Day!!
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Haroldo

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That does suck. :( I hate the way our goverment ranks offenses. White collared crimes get light sentences even though they are on a much higher scale than blue collared crimes.
 

GeckoFiend

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This guy started a gang that was spread throughout the nation. How many people do you think were raped, robbed, injured, and/or killed because of him. I think that the government was far too kind to him by letting him go quickly and painlessly.
 

Haroldo

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babamba said:
This guy started a gang that was spread throughout the nation. How many people do you think were raped, robbed, injured, and/or killed because of him. I think that the government was far too kind to him by letting him go quickly and painlessly.

So I gander you don't believe in redemption? I'm curious to know how you feel about people that commit white collard crimes. To add, he was not serving his sentence for being the founder of the Crips, he was doing a bid for murders that happened over 30 years ago with no proof might I add!
 

Nathan Hall

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Guys, this is going to get nasty fast. Sure, this is off-topic, but diplomacy and civility get thrown out the window when it comes to such hot topics.
 

Lvbandeds

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Haroldo said:
babamba said:
This guy started a gang that was spread throughout the nation. How many people do you think were raped, robbed, injured, and/or killed because of him. I think that the government was far too kind to him by letting him go quickly and painlessly.

So I gander you don't believe in redemption? I'm curious to know how you feel about people that commit white collard crimes. To add, he was not serving his sentence for being the founder of the Crips, he was doing a bid for murders that happened over 30 years ago with no proof might I add!
No Proof !!!....please. You should know what you are talking about before making a post...

The story:When Darryl and Sims entered the 7-Eleven, Owens put the broom and dust pan down and followed them into the store. Williams and Coward followed Owens into the store. (TT 2146-2152). As Darryl and Sims walked to the counter area to take money from the register, Williams walked behind Owens and told him "shut up and keep walking." (TT 2154). While pointing a shotgun at Owens' back, Williams directed him to a back storage room. (TT 2154).

Once inside the storage room, Williams, at gunpoint, ordered Owens to "lay down, mother f*****." Williams then chambered a round into the shotgun. Williams then fired the round into the security monitor. Williams then chambered a second round and fired the round into Owens' back as he lay face down on the floor of the storage room. Williams then fired again into Owens' back. (TT 2162).
Once back in Los Angeles, Williams asked if anyone wanted to get something to eat. When Sims asked Williams why he shot Owens, Williams said he "didn't want to leave any witnesses." Williams also said he killed Owens "because he was white and he was killing all white people." (TT 2189, 2193).

Later that same day, Williams bragged to his brother Wayne about killing Owens. Williams said, "you should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him." Williams then made gurgling or growling noises and laughed hysterically about Owens' death. (TT 2195-2197).
read more here: http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/a/tookie2.htm
other murders he did: http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/a/tookie3.htm
The Evidence Against Stanley Williams: http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/a/tookie5.htm
Post-Arrest Admission By Stanley 'Tookie' Williams: http://crime.about.com/od/deathrow/a/tookie12.htm
 

PreditorNprey

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Oh well.... sucks to be him, but it is a shame that they no longer use the electric chair and now use a lethal injection. "Oh it's alright that so and so raped 100 women and killed them, lets let him die in peace." SCREW that Hippy's bring back the chair!!!

but yes..... I will shut up, before I say anything that may cause an extremely heated discussion.
 

JBReptiles

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Oh well exactly..electric chair would be awsome...he killed what 4 people??and was the cause of hundreds of deths....by starting the crips...
 

PreditorNprey

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Maybe, there should be a topic that, only people over the age of 18 should be able to get into, where anything goes (well except for nudie pics, and that sort.) for topics such as this.

We have one at the site I'm a moderator at www.aquatic-terrors.com and it works out for the best, IMO

but I must also say, Nathan I'm not sure how into forums you are other than this one, but I am suprised how nice this topic is so far, compared to alot of the other forums I visit.
 

bugman426

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whats to stop someone from changing their date of birth...making every member scan a copy of their birth certificate and drivers license? :lol:
 

Haroldo

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bugman426 said:
whats to stop someone from changing their date of birth...making every member scan a copy of their birth certificate and drivers license? :lol:

Actually, other forums and their mods have made it a bit more selective than that. On alexhuereptiles.com, Hue has a system where you request access to a certain area of the site on an individual basis. Works really well to keep things civil. The person (that is inflammatory or just plain dumb) can be removed from the list that allows them to post or even see that thread/area.
 

Haroldo

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I just thought I would add one last thing. Let's be clear on his case stats. This murder happened over 30yrs ago when our crime investigation techniques and equipment were not precise as they are today. His institutionalization (sp?) had nothing to do with his position with the crips, only the alleged murders. As far as I know, the only people to witness the crime were the victims and the accused. No tapes, no living witnesses, etc. No I don't dispute that his position in the crips laid the pipework for other terrible crimes, but that's not what his bid was about. And I would like to re-state that the evidence presented was non-definitive. Just think about how many people have been prosecuted and later found "not guilty" on charges after spending their lives in jail/prison systems. I am in no way defending the life he led before he was internalized, but I do believe strongly in redemption. Now on the issue of morality, as for his being responsible for the consequential deaths of victims, I simply don't buy it. That's shifting blame from those that actually committed the crime to those that ordered it. While he may be "evil" for ordering them, at best he could be considered an accessory if there is no evidence of coercion. Once again, I am not defending the life he led prior to his "bid," but if we are to consider the morality of various acts by individuals, we must not ignore similar acts committed by those in power. I digress...
 

Geckokid82

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babamba said:
This guy started a gang that was spread throughout the nation. How many people do you think were raped, robbed, injured, and/or killed because of him. I think that the government was far too kind to him by letting him go quickly and painlessly.
HuRa-lets do it chinese police style :)
 
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