Need pics of male elok

[WildEyeReptiles]

I really need a few photos of male elok for comparison reasons - anyone who has any, please post them, or email to me.

Thanks

 

[Bowfinger]

Was it you that got one of the only males in the recent imports? Are you thinking you might not have one now?? I can have a picture for you when Marcus sends me my male hopefully next week.

 

[WildEyeReptiles]

Yes, I have one, and it is certainly a male. I am just interested to see the locality and pattern on other people's males since I cant find any recent photos of any.

 

[WildEyeReptiles]

Here, I'll even start everyone off..

Male #1

Male #2 (note suspicious lack of pattern...)

 

[ptenopus]

im sayn those are elok.
here are mine..the male did take on a darker pattern after settling in
male

female

eggs(dont know if they are good...she laid em about 2 months after getting here before being with a male, and she is gravid again))

 

[Afelinus]

The second male comes from the shipment Claude Davis had.No gaurantee on locality data,that I know,if thats his Elok.

 

[Afelinus]

Frank,I think Leah got one of the others that was imported a few weeks ago.They are from a different locality.I will try to find out where it might have been collected.

 

[ptenopus]

yeah, i think so too. I dont think Mr. davis imports himslef, at least the cyrts that he had for sale were hand picked from a larger shipment.

 

[Afelinus]

They werent hand picked,they were sent to him.I think alot of that was touched on already in another forum here.There is a locality difference that does exist,we might be looking at it with the 2 pics Leah posted.All the ones I import have a more defined pattern,especially around the head.They seem darker in coloration also.That one appears very light,dont know if thats just a mood shot.

 

[Bowfinger]

My male looked that light when I got him in, now he is showing a more defined line around the head as you have mentioned Marcus, but still lighter than the females. Another picture to get to in a few.

 

[ptenopus]

oops, i ment the shipment he had before these new "elok" came in. I got a few geckos from him early in the year, including some cyrtodactylus and he had said that he "hand picked" em from a larger shipment. Sorry for the confusion. Im really not seeing much difference in the two animals. They most certainly look to be the same species, and the only color diff i see is in the photograph it self...looks as if the flash washed out the 2nd pic a bit. We know these geckos are very capable of quite a substantial color change. When i unpacked my male, he was bright yellow. So i thought ok, same as Leahs. Once he "kicked it" for a bit he darkened waaay up, but still did not have as many "bands" as the female. If we are on the "one is a brevi, one is a elok" train of thought, im gonna say i dont think so . If Mr. davis is getting geckos from Southern Thialand or extreme northern Penn. Malaysia, then he could indeeed have brevipalmatus. IMO non of these geckos are brevipalmatus. About 7 years ago, Glades herp got in brevipalmatus, and a friend got some, and these WERE brevipalmatus. They were larger, and had a black and white tail. The body was almost patternless. Non of the elok I've seen have had black and white banded tails.
Marcus, i assume your geckos are coming from western Malaysia. The range of elok. The shipment that Davis got, had western Malaysian species in it, so one has to assume his geckos also came from western malaysia. Elok territory. sorry to ramble. i havent said much about this confusion, so there is my 2 cents

 

[WildEyeReptiles]

I dont think one is another species, but locality perhaps - or even natural variation - I dont think we are in a position to know or say for sure which is which. I just htink its interesting. The 2nd animal is not washed by the flash, he really is kind of clear blonde and does have some darker patterning at times, but generally what you see is it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Here is not the greatist shot through glass to rush a picture for you guys...
this one too is not washed out, he just lightened up on me after barking at
one of his ladies :wink:

 

[Afelinus]

They are the same species,but different localities.Frank,these geckos came here by the same exporter I use.There a long story,but my guy let me know before he exported to Claude,and it had to do with my exporters former associate in Malaysia.Thats his business and thats as much as I will say regarding that.Back to the geckos,Leah is right about the localities,its about state to state variation,no species difference.Frank you are right,these arent Brevi's,I had geckos from Glades,the first shipment was 9 years ago,they were different each year,thats why I gave up on Cyrtodactylus,cause there wasnt any reliable info.The ones you speak of are part of the Brevipalmatu complex,which Elok is part of.There is much more to this conversation than thes pages will allow,but just keep an eye out for something a little different than what youre seeing now.

 

[ptenopus]

I just see such a small difference. I can agree with slight color difference from different locales, as is common with most.....well, most anything. Look at us(people)! are we subspecies? hahah. In finding, photographing, and studying phyllodactylus xanti for the past years, I have notcied drastic size and color differences in populations from different canyons less than 2 miles apart. And we all know the story with coleonyx. The story with Cyrtodactylus is gonna go the route the Rhachie complex just went times 10. If any of you have Bauers papers, you know that there are soo many undescribed and newly described species, it'll make your head spin. I guess you marcus, are sittin on the tip of this malaysian cyrtodactylus iceberg, and I'm really lookin forward to what comes next.

 

[Afelinus]

I wish I was excited about it,I'm more excited for you guys(Elok group of breeders)because thats who will be getting them.Some noted herpetologists are saying 4 species,possibly 5 total in the group complex.Just like you were describing the ones Glades got,there were so much variation,but no field data though.I hate mixing possible species,and you know,the brevi's I got in 97 were smaller than these Elok,and no pattern,tail was dark,original,body was rust colored to brick colored.Go figure

 

[Bowfinger]

Get them in, we will keep bloodlines seperate if they look different and later research can describe what we are already working with. Instead of going at this ABC, we can go ACB before the forests get built on or the doors close on us.

 

[Bowfinger]

By the way, I might be down for a field trip in the distant future, these Cyrtodactylus are really getting my attention.

 

[ptenopus]

There are so many species that either slightly resemble elok, or downright look identicle, im thinking that they may be the "type locale" or most primative of the malaysian cyrtos, or even the smaller cyrtos in general. The 5 "morphs" you talk off have another 4 or 5 described species that look similar to elok including a Geckoella from as far west as sri lanka. Who knows what went down thousands of years ago.

 

[Bowfinger]

There are so many species that either slightly resemble elok, or downright look identicle, im thinking that they may be the "type locale" or most primative of the malaysian cyrtos, or even the smaller cyrtos in general. The 5 "morphs" you talk off have another 4 or 5 described species that look similar to elok including a Geckoella from as far west as sri lanka. Who knows what went down thousands of years ago.

I noticed this and really did not say anything as I thought I might be laughed at...good looking out :wink:...the Geckoella part