O. castel.; 3 handicaped - what's their sexes?

[castelnaui]

Hi all,

Of my 4 Oedura castelnaui Babies from last year showed finally 3 of them deformities! 2 has in front on both hands just 4 Finger (what you can see on the pics) - I guess a genetic problem ...; and one got frogeye (he or she would have all fingers ...)

I wonder what kind of sex they are ...!

I guess that my luck is, that the only healthy one - which we here already defined as a male - will be the only male and these three would be female ... Am I right ...?!?

What you guess?

The 2 Four-Fingers:

First:

Second:

And the Froggy:

What do you think about ... all that ...

The sex and the rest ...

Greets & Thanks
Peter

 

[castelnaui]

BTW:

All these three are in the age of 10 months, where the sex should able to define ...?!

As a proof that the youth of my O. castelanui not only produces ugly freaks, here a pic of the male we defined some threads below ...

Greets
Peter

 

[Niqui13]

Has the O. castel with the "frog eye" had that since birth? I was just curious, because that really doesn't look like any type of genetic abnormality I've ever heard of. It really looks more like some type of infection is going on somewhere behind the eye, causing swelling and fluid build-up. If that eye has progressively gotten larger with age, I'd bet there is something more serious wrong with the eye that you are unaware of. Just my 2 cents

 

[castelnaui]

[QUTOE]causing swelling and fluid build-up[/QUOTE]

Yes I believe as well something like that, but the reason I see somewhere completely different ...

I lost 3 Babies last year and they all looked like them! Or exactlier: They had both eyes like that and were nothing at all eating ...

2 of them were from the same clutch and the third was from the same clutch like this one.

All this Babies had directly after hatlichling too cold :?

All these 3 who were striking eating developped after a short time of week or two such eyes, they didn't had it after hatchling!

But what do you think about the sex? I guess that all these are female, aren't they? What a pity and none of them really healthy ... :evil:

 

[Ari]

Hi Peter

I would say all females also. It is nice to see amazing specimens - that froggy eyed one is amazing.

Wonder if you were to breed those females with another male whether the genetic deformative could be bred out?

Cheers

 

[geckodan]

I would agree all females but I would not be letting any of them anywhere near a male - breeding from those can only lead to further damage to your already limited genetics.

 

[castelnaui]

Hi you both,

Thanks very much for your sex-opinions! It's quite nice for me to get other opinions about that to get mine sure, and it's also nice to notice that my personal view about the sex isn't so wrong ..., with the male and these three females ...

@ari

that froggy eyed one is amazing

Nice that you see it like that, but I am not so very pleased ... :? . I am quite sure she's blind on this eye, nevertheless she is able to catch food very well,

About breeding I must say, that the temptation of using them for breeding exist, but actually I'm sharing Danny's opinion ...:The risk for

breeding from those can only lead to further damage to your already limited genetics.

I think really the one 4 Finger ones is a genetic problem - because I got this year allready two again - and it annoyes me very much that the owner before didn't say anything and were taking advantage of my unexperience ....

But what to to then with these animals ... I can't sell them as females (because most people who buy gecko like to breed once or searching for more female for their pairs or males) and neither as a pair with the healthy male ..., and finally not using it for myself ...

I guess I have to built up a home place for handicaped geckos ... :roll: :?


But the eye problem I very certain that this isn't a genetic problem ...

Actually I should sell the parents, but if I'm honest who takes them .... :?

Thanks once more: Ari & Danny

 

[Riverside Reptiles]

You could sell them for what they are..."pet quality". You won't be able to get as much money for them as you would if they were breeding quality. But certainly there's someone out there that would be happy to just own them as pets and not for breeding. Or find a friend or two that would like to have them for pets and give them away. Or of course you could cull them which would be a shame. Or just keep them yourself as pets. But as Danny said, they shouldn't be used for breeding.

 

[MiCh@3L]

Hi Peter,

your offspring got really nice pattern and colouration, but it`s very sad to read that they have a genetic problem :x

I just wanna know why the one male hasn`t that problen, is he from another female of your breeding group? In this case I would seperate the female which bequeaths the genetic problem.

Regards

Michael