New Genetic Color Mutation

[alecfeldman]

The story:

In 1992 after producing about 100 coleonyx v. v. babies, I was fortunate enough to produce an awesome albino animal, which was a female and perfect, but was unfortunately not able to produce fertile eggs ever in its 3 + year life. It was a great experience, but somehow bittersweet due to the fact that I could never produce any more. Here is the picture, it is bad quality, because it is a picture of a picture (no jpegs back then). It was published in Dactylus back then, for anyone my age or older, which was very cool.

Now after 15 years, I have a new animal that I actually road collected as a juvie, in the same spot as the parents of the other albino. IT IS A MALE luckily and almost an adult. I plan to breed him to other animals from the area in hope of achieving this color again. The eyes are normal, but as you can see the color is reversed.

So, for all you genetics experts out there, what is this mutation? I would love some feedback.

Here are some pics of the animal and a female from the same area:

Thank you for your time,
Alec Feldman

 

[Coleonyx]

It looks amelanistic to me, as I don't see any pigment on him, besides the eyes. Do you have any closesr pictures of the eyes? Whatever it is, he's a great animal and I look forward to seeing hatchlings the same color. Good luck.

 

[Palex134]

looks more hypomelanistic to me, but then again Id assume an amelanistic and a hypomelanistic look similar with these coleonyx. If you can get an eye picture, it may be easier to determine.

Amel would be more pink and yellow, where hypo would be tans and pale colors.

 

[Coleonyx]

It looks very similar to this one (not mine). Hypo? If it is, it is a very strong hypo.

 

[Griesi]

Hello,

are there any news about this project?

Karsten

 

[alecfeldman]

Amel banded

As far as this project, I was able to produce two babies this year. One normal and one that looks just like this amel male from breeding this male to a normal female from the same area. The offspring are both females. I will breed the female back to the male next year, and see if I can get this color to be constant in the offspring. After that I plan to breed this color pattern with an almost patternless female and try to get an all white coleonyx v.v.

Thx for the interest.
Alec

 

[MK Geckos]

As far as this project, I was able to produce two babies this year. One normal and one that looks just like this amel male from breeding this male to a normal female from the same area. The offspring are both females. I will breed the female back to the male next year, and see if I can get this color to be constant in the offspring. After that I plan to breed this color pattern with an almost patternless female and try to get an all white coleonyx v.v.

Thx for the interest.
Alec

Thank you for the update! Do you have any pictures?

 

[alecfeldman]

Amel banded project

Here are some recent photos of the offspring of the Amel. One looks like the male, the other like the female. The lighter one is getting lighter as its getting older, just like the adult did. Both offspring are females, which is great.

Thanks,
Alec

 

[Torin]

I didn't realize that was so unusual. I had kept some like that as a kid.

 

[alecfeldman]

Amel Banded Project

Here is an up to date picture of the original male:

This is a picture of the offspring, which is female:

At this point I would have to say that this is just a color variation and not a mutation. It looked like it was, when the animal was younger, but know since I have produced offspring in one generation with a normal female, it would seem it is just a brightly colored animal. Nice though, none the less, compared to normal borrego stock.

We'll see what happens this breeding season. Still chasing the white gecko : )

 

[Lvbandeds]

beautiful specimen and neonates. Too bad the pattern didnt prove out. thanks for sharing.

 

[alecfeldman]

update

Well... I'm still at it... and even though the light color started to fade with the previous animals, I've finally got a really nice couple of babies from the end of last year. This is a result of breeding animals in the original group, to f2 animals in the same line . They are definitely getting lighter in color, though the eyes are still normal.

Here they are:

 

[tanala]

that one looks grrreat. I remember someone was posting pics of white to pink variegatus here some time ago. I do have a specimen that is very pale too.

 

[Zilla]

Sorry to bring this thread back but I was wondering if you have any updated pictures, it has been 6 months and the changes would be really interesting to see.

 

[reptirus]

Im glad you did revive the tread, because if you wouldnt have I woulnt have known about this cool find

 

[003]

White gecko

There was a white gecko w/c about 7 years ago. There was posted pics of it in another forum.

 

[MK Geckos]

They look beautiful! Do you have any updates?

 

[alecfeldman]

New Update

Hi ... I have not been on here in a while ... just saw this.

I do have a pair of very white c. variegatus that are about to go into their first breeding season. The babies should be very cool! I also have an extreme hypo and extreme hypermelanistic in the breeding group. I will breed the white ones with them as well ... should be some cool babies this year. As soon as I have some new pics, I will post them.

Thanks for all the interest : )

 

[MK Geckos]

Hi ... I have not been on here in a while ... just saw this.

I do have a pair of very white c. variegatus that are about to go into their first breeding season. The babies should be very cool! I also have an extreme hypo and extreme hypermelanistic in the breeding group. I will breed the white ones with them as well ... should be some cool babies this year. As soon as I have some new pics, I will post them.

Thanks for all the interest : )

I cannot wait to see the pictures! Thanks for the update!

 

[JonDL]

Alec Feldman, I have a female with the similar coloration as the lighter male one you have in the bottom picture of ur first post, though different pattern. Also, I've found that this female I have, remains healthy but her tail is long and slender like yours and not so much fat and chunky as my other bandeds. I will pm you the beginning and end letters of the locale I found my female road right at as well.
At first when I had found her I thought she was just lighter colored at the time and would go dark, as how some of them do, though she still appeared lighter than normal. Im only 22 but I have done A LOT of herping in Arizona and not seen a banded gecko like her. Its been 2yrs now and she hasn't changed to dark under any circumstances. I'm not sure if I still have pictures of her, but I will go get some today to show you.

Are you by any chance related to Jerry Feldman?

-Jon DeLong