My DIY chandelier conversion to one ugly hanging...thing of a viv

loogielv

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Been lurking here for awhile and decided to man up and share my first DIY project after about 10 years of looking at it sit empty. I posted this on a few other forums, but decided its time I contribute here. I assure you by "contribute" i DO NOT mean give you something useful you could possibly use in the future, but instead I mean give you a target for ridicule and hate mail. moving on...

About 10 years ago I bought a huge chandelier from goodwill for $50. I saw the future when I looked at this ugly hunk of crap..and the future said "hanging terrarium".

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I yanked all the lights out. It had 2 fixtures - each with 6 lights. DAMN was it ugly. I threw all that right in the trash.

The chandelier had a door (for ease of changing light bulbs i guess) that was only one of the glass panes that swung outward. That was too small and not gonna work, so I enlarged that door by making the piece of glass next to it swing outward. Door on the right is original. Door on left, not so much.
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I put some small hinges on it and tried my hand at soldering for the first time...it was...and is...laughably embarrassing:
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Sorry for the blurriness, but you can clearly see that soldering is best left to anyone else. All the shiny silver around the hinge is 45 minutes worth of attempted soldering. It looks awful, but it's holding a hinge. Good enough.


There was no bottom, so I put a piece of circular glass in the bottom and siliconed it into place.

Someone told me that the metal seams holding the glass together could possibly leech toxins into the water that would effect animals. He admitted he had no idea if this was the case, but the thought scared me. I knew it would be humid in this thing and the condensation running down over toxic metal was a no go, so I siliconed every metal seam in the whole thing. Top to bottom. You can clearly see the silicone over the back seams here:

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Let me explain this process to you: THE SUCKNESS.

There was no way to silicone all the seams, or even the piece of glass into the bottom without putting my entire head into the viv through the small door. I just couldn't reach all the parts I needed to without having my shoulder and whole arm in the viv, which also required my head to be in there. (Being attached to my shoulder... for the most part...)
Being in a 3 foot sealed enclosure while doing this is flat out retarded...but the show must go on and my brain cells had to take one for the team.
The fumes were outrageous. I mean OUTRAGEOUS. i nearly passed out several times.

I dont need the whole thing to be water proof, but just water resistant. Just keep any toxins (though I dont believe the metal will leech anything bad) where they belong. I had the idea of a false bottom for this pig, so the bottom is the only part that I attempted to make water proof. I apologize for these next pics..there is no excuse:

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Listen, before you judge me, and my silicone extravaganza, understand that not only was I delirious from fumes, but also that I knew I had to make the bottom water proof. I would just razor blade the edges off later. I couldn't keep my head in this death trap any longer, so I rushed through the job gobbing silicone everywhere I could. The razor blade would make it pretty later, right?

Wrong.

After this pig cured and no longer smelled like a vinegar factory on a planet made of vinegar in a solar system that produced pure vinegar, I started blading the seams on the top. I gobbed everything on so thick, that blading left a HUGE ridge. On the top portion, that's not totally horrible, since that doesn't need to be waterproof... But on the bottom of the viv, a ridge could mean water could seep under the silicone and leak. It's doubtful, but still.

I finished blading the top portion and filled the pig with water upto the the top of the bottom pieces of glass. About 6 inches worth. I let it stand for nearly a week, with no leaks. I know i know. How could anything leak through that mess anyway. but still, it felt like a victory.

But there's no way i could hang that silicone job in my house. I'd have to cover the bottom portion with paper or something and that's not acceptable. I could just forget the idea of a false bottom and fill it with substrate. Great, but then I'd still see the silicone job..over dirt no less. No go.

So I figured either I a) blade the bottom portion all pretty like and test for leaks and hope none arise later or b) dissolve the silicone (all of it) with some sort of chemical and silicone it again, with tape and other ways to make it professionally pretty and presentable.

Since I went so much thicker on the bottom portion, the ridges that would be left from blading could be monstrous, so i just figured I'd dissolve it and do it again.

That was 10 years ago.

Help me guys, how do i make this pig presentable?
My idea is to put a nice stump in the center (with a waterfall) and make it sorta like a 360 degree hanging terrarium.
However other things are hindering the progress of this build, other than the silicone mess from hell.

How can I light this enclosure? It's completely sealed except for the door, and some small vent holes in the top. (See pic below)
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Obviously the glass will block all the beneficial rays of a grow light, so I'd have to put he light inside the viv which raises several further issues, including but not limited to:
1)moisture concern. how will the lights handle so much humidity?

2)heat. having lights in a fully enclosed viv will heat this puppy up like a casserole at Rosie O'Donnell's house.

3)wiring. How in the world could I even get the wiring for the electrical into the viv? I guess cut the power cord for the lights and run them through the vent holes and resplice the electric prong? one problem: I know NOTHING about any of that...

4)Animal safety: What about an animal getting up close to the bulb and burning themselves?

I know if i used one of them CF spiral lights they run cool and probably wouldn't effect the viv much, (other than the provided light). leaving only the problem of wiring. again, I guess I could read a book on lectricle wirin'.
Of course I'd have to cut and splice the connections for a pump, mister system, fans etc etc... that would fill up 5 or 6 vent holes...there goes my vent holes...

One sure fire way to deal with this is to blade the silicone off, fill it w/ just substrate and put a hardy lizard in there, like anoles and some geckos. Run one light into it, no waterfall, no false bottom, no PDFs, nothing but a small water dish and some tough ass herps...

But i really wanted a 360 degree, hanging PDF vivarium. The bottom of the viv would hang about stomach level..how awesome would that be? So many obstacles..so little money.

(follow the link below to be able to access the full size pics if their too small)
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Sitting_duck

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I have no answers to your questions, but I thought I'd comment on how I read your post on the viviarium forums about this.
 

springtech

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Oh man that cracked me up lol...
I cant help much either but by the looks of that last post I cant go wrong lmao.
It look like such a good idea... hmmm. I would think you'd have to get some ventilation in there. Is there anyway you could replace some of the top panes with screen/mesh?
and maybe use create a little top section with the mesh as well to enclose the light fixture you end up using.
As far as the silicone goes... lol sorry cant help but laugh... maybe a non water tight application would be best.
I wish you all the best with your creation and would love to see it in use.
Good luck
 

loogielv

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thanks for the reply spring..i'm thinking maybe removing one pane of glass from the top would be acceptable for ventilation, especially with a fan. A low heat CF inside the viv would probably be ok and i think i could keep the humidity in the 90% range even with good ventilation...might be wrong there though.

I dont want all the lights and fans to be noticeable (or even viewable) unless they're ok looking. Otherwise I would consider adding mylar to not only reflect the light down, but also hide all the jazz inside...the question is which would look crappier?
 

Asrai

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Help me guys, how do i make this pig presentable?
You certainly have your work cut out for you. I was so shocked when I saw the comparison to the bicycle. If you never showed that picture, I don't think I would have believed you. I'm actually a member of this forum to try to find a home for a rescued gecko, but in my day job, I'm an engineer and I can offer quite a few suggestions for your very cool idea of a hanging enclosure, but even better - I'm a mom - so I can offer good ideas that can be achieved with some frugality (inexpensive). :yahoo:

My idea is to put a nice stump in the center (with a waterfall) and make it sorta like a 360 degree hanging terrarium.
It's so very possible with the behemoth of a chandelier you've got! Wow! I can see your vision.

How can I light this enclosure? It's completely sealed except for the door, and some small vent holes in the top.
My first concern wouldn't be lighting, but rather ventilation. Most Lowes or Home Depots home improvement stores carry varying grades of acrylic sheets. You very inexpensively design a few "glass-look-alike" panels with a much better variety of holes for ventilation.

In fact, you could replace ALL of the glass in your hanging enclosure with acrylic. As you remove a single panel of glass, the replacement piece of acrylic could be siliconed from the outside (like a sandwich). Previously, you had metal edge (outside), piece of glass (middle), silcone (inside). What I'm proposing is to place a layer of silicone on the metal edge and then seat the acrylic; metal edge (outside), silicone (inside), acrylic plate (inside).

Using the acrylic to replace your glass is one thing, but the added benefit of using acrylic is this: You will significantly reduce the weight of your enclosure and in the very, very unfortunate event that something cracked or broke, your repair would be quick duty and affordable. (OH! Did I mention all the cool things you can do with acrylic? Shelves? Curving staircase/ramps on the interior? No more soldering - just drill and bolt into acrylic. You could even PAINT cool decorations on the acrylic before you seat them to the frame (no having to be a fume-smelling contortionist *wink*). The benefits just keep going and going!


Obviously the glass will block all the beneficial rays of a grow light, so I'd have to put he light inside the viv which raises several further issues, including but not limited to:
1)moisture concern. how will the lights handle so much humidity?
Proper ventilation will go a long way to helping you control the humidity. I don't know how large your grow light is, but from what I understand there are different varieties (incandescent, flourescent, etc.). I hate to say it, but if you want this kind of lighting, you might have to replicate the interior hardward you gutted when you first started on the project.

Although, another option is to just hang it near a window for proper lighting in the day, and then embed outdoor LED lights (think of the strain of outdoor LED lights used for Christmas trees) or LED rope lighting. It would look truly celestial at night.


2)heat. having lights in a fully enclosed viv will heat this puppy up like a casserole at Rosie O'Donnell's house.
Yes, but you could minimize potentially damage by reducing the size of your bulb, maintaining ventilation, and check into LED full spectrum alternatives. LEDs use less energy, last longer and they produce very little, if any, heat. Certain lights can affect insects and animals. You may need to do a little research to see if your bulb is appropriate for use in this context.

3)wiring. How in the world could I even get the wiring for the electrical into the viv? I guess cut the power cord for the lights and run them through the vent holes and resplice the electric prong? one problem: I know NOTHING about any of that...
Give yourself a little more credit! You managed to gut "the Pig", so you have some mechanical inclination. If your grow light has an encasement, I'd check to see if anything could be disassembled to allow the cords to go through the neck the way they did originally. There's plenty of DIY info out there to do this - don't fret.

4)Animal safety: What about an animal getting up close to the bulb and burning themselves?
You could very easily create a metal mesh guard around the light to prevent any creature from getting to it. The windows in the house I grew up in had aluminium screens. When my father upgraded the windows, the kids would play with the leftover screens. They're easy to shape. They don't rust, and they prevent even some of the small insects from passing through.

I had a friend with a similar concept (only the then entire enclosure was plastic (a little thicker than the plastic of a 2 liter soda bottle). They used drainage holes on the bottom and gravity. His "planter" had this little gadget in the top that sat in a bowl of water and vaporized the water. The mist from the vaporized water fell to the bottom of the planter and anything in excess collected at the bottom and dripped out. It was only a planter from tropical plants and....african violets...I can't remember - it was a plant, though. He didn't have any creatures inside. It was the coolest, most hypnotic thing to watch, but I digress.


One sure fire way to deal with this is to blade the silicone off, fill it w/ just substrate and put a hardy lizard in there, like anoles and some geckos. Run one light into it, no waterfall, no false bottom, no PDFs, nothing but a small water dish and some tough ass herps...
Should we call you Dr. Frankstein? Don't do that to your little ones. Take temperature measurements throughout the day and then start adding the elements into the mix to see what it causes. If you get a suitable average temperature, then go for it.

Oh, and before I go....silicone is great stuff - we jokingly refer to my dad as the caulking-king - but you might really good results with two part epoxy. It hardens to the strength of auto body filler (Bondo), it's really affordable (comparable to silicone), it can be sanded smooth, and it's awesome to work with (sort of like play-doh).

I'm sure you've been getting loads of great suggestions. I envy you! It seems like such a cool project. Either way, you win.
 

loogielv

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Asrai, that was a great informative post and I really appreciate it! I couldn't see a way to rep, but believe me, you're repped in my heart!
I'll respond to each point as you did. I thank you again for being so helpful.

You certainly have your work cut out for you. I was so shocked when I saw the comparison to the bicycle. If you never showed that picture, I don't think I would have believed you. I'm actually a member of this forum to try to find a home for a rescued gecko, but in my day job, I'm an engineer and I can offer quite a few suggestions for your very cool idea of a hanging enclosure, but even better - I'm a mom - so I can offer good ideas that can be achieved with some frugality (inexpensive). :yahoo:
:biggrin: perfect! you're quite the catch! I'm lucky you saw this thread. I need all the help I can get! Yah, I purposely left all the extra nonsense in the pics due to a) laziness :) and b.) perspective. This thing is a beast. I love it

Before I tackle the rest of your points, let me tell you what I've decided so far.

I'm doing away with the false bottom. There's no realistic way to get it incorporated w/ the viv hanging in mid air. I'd have to take away precious ground area to leave a spot to be able to access the water and drain it, plus a pump to keep it from going stagnant. Also, if i take away the false bottom, I can simply blade majority of the silicone off without worrying too much about it being water tight. Most likely it'll stay water tight, but as long as its water resistant, that's fine. I'll add a drainage layer of lecca and the like.
I'm also going with Red Eye Tree Frogs (and maybe another species of tree frog as well, if my research turns up another that can live peacefully with them). So that means I need more climbing surface, so I have a great idea:
I'm going to create a mountain out of great stuff in the center. The mountain will have the basic shape of a volcano. Then i'm going to put bamboo all around the viv. See the attachment for my awesome paint skills.
Nevermind the water feature that I show. That too has been shelved.
I will instead mist by hand a few times a day, and also hook a humidifier up twice a day or so. It should be just fine for humidity.

I'm also going to add a door opposite of the existing door. This is so I can easily have access to the full viv. When the frogs get wise and learn to hide on the side that usually facing away from the center of the room, I'll just spin the viv :D Also, a fresh look of the vivalier every few days is just awesome, imho.
My first concern wouldn't be lighting, but rather ventilation. Most Lowes or Home Depots home improvement stores carry varying grades of acrylic sheets. You very inexpensively design a few "glass-look-alike" panels with a much better variety of holes for ventilation.
This is a great way to get more ventilation. I was considering drilling a piece of the glass, or completely removing a pane and adding screen mesh, but throwing a piece of acrylic in there is really awesome.
Regarding ventilation, I think I have it figured out. Tell me what you think.
The top tapered portion will house the lights and ventilation. It will be sectioned off from the main viv with a light diffuser (for reasons I'll describe later. for now, just know it's basically a piece of acrylic). One or 2 of the pieces of glass will be drilled or acrylic will replace it or whatever for ventilation. I'll add some pc fans in this section both taking the heat out of the top portion and also a few fans regulating air flow and humidity in the main viv. I'm a pc tech, so i have over 15 pc fans sitting around. I have the really smally ones used for video cards and I have the monster ones used to cooling entire pc cases. Either way, I'll tweak the fans until it's perfect.

The reason for the light diffuser is because since the viv will be hanging, the view into the viv will be from a slightly lower angle, giving a view almost directly into the top portion where all the ugly utilities will be housed. With a light diffuser, the view into the top portion will be skewed and no light will be lost. (i've seen people use diffusers on other vivs and honestly it's impossible to tell which pic had it on and which pic had it off).
I'll drill a few holes in the diffuser to attach fans to it (i'll screen the underside of the diffuser in these areas to protect the little ones of course) and that should be that! Whatcha think?

In fact, you could replace ALL of the glass in your hanging enclosure with acrylic.
This isn't a bad idea either, but there's a few concerns I'd have with it. 1) structural integrity. I get the feeling that the glass helps to mantain the basic shape of this thing. I know the metal bracing is what does it, but when standing it on the ground, or laying it on its side, I can just feel that w/o the glass it wouldn't be able to support itself. obviously with acrylic replacements, it wouldn't need to support nearly as much weight, but honestly it's not that heavy. I can pick it up by the top with 2 hands and if i was above it i could lift it with one hand (the awkward layout makes it tough to lift with one hand unless you had leverage from above) another concern is the effort. I'm pretty lazy :) But i can promise you, I didn't think of this before and I'm going to consider it. each metal seam would have to be bent outwards to release the glass and then rebent to hold the acrylic in place and i dont like the idea of that either...

Although, another option is to just hang it near a window for proper lighting in the day, and then embed outdoor LED lights (think of the strain of outdoor LED lights used for Christmas trees) or LED rope lighting. It would look truly celestial at night.
regarding lighting, I believe i'm going to go with 2 spiral compact florescents with the proper range for growing plants. They're cheap, small and very bright. Also I will cover the inside of the top portion with mylar to reflect more light down into the viv and also hide the components from the outside so it's all hidden.

I was doing some research on LEDs and it doesn't seem that there's any that are rated for growing plants. If anything is even close, the price range is a couple hundred bucks. :shock: forget that. With CF spirals, I should solve all the issues with one swoop: heating? none. brightness? awesome. money? booyah!.

I will keep everyone posted of course, and of course, hit me with every suggestion you got!

On another forum, some guy had the exact same idea before me, built it how he wanted, with lighting and everything, (didn't make it hang. it just sits on a table) and...wait for it...HIS PICS ARE BROKEN. I can't see what he did other than the first pic and the finished pic :( he's not motivated enough to take more pics he said :( bah.
 

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Asrai

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I'm doing away with the false bottom. There's no realistic way to get it incorporated w/ the viv hanging in mid air. I'd have to take away precious ground area to leave a spot to be able to access the water and drain it, plus a pump to keep it from going stagnant.
Don't give up on the dream! :biggrin: I read forward into your message about the volcano (I'm working towards getting my masters in geology) so, goodie points to you for scheming such an AWESOME feature). But to get power and gadgetry into the base, consider this: Instead of a volcano, let's say you have a mountain, or Lord of the Rings-esque tree trunk. You could run all your cables/chords/whatever through a hidden PVC pipe going down the center. Oh, man. This post is making me want to build things....I love that feeling!

When I took a closer look at your pictures, I noticed your chandelier can be divided into four parts. The top section and the bottom are beveled as they terminate at the top (for the top) and the bottom (at the bottom). The two sections in the center are your projected living space (the golden real estate), right?

If you replaced the bottom glass panes with a thicker mil of acrylic, you wouldn't lose the structural integrity that you mentioned, but you could also create several hinged access doors and house your stuff under there. You wouldn't have to take the entire structure down unless you were accessing the top (which I make very similar recommendations for). I would cut the acrylic, seat it into the metal tracks, and then before placing anything inside, I'd paint them black or layer paint a mural or whatever creative thingy I could think of. Your false bottom (acrylic also) would allow you to have drainage, but you could also access things without even coming into contact with your red eyed tree frogs. My hot tub is seated into a deck...so you could literally seat a small pool into the false bottom. Tube from pump ejects water at top, water trickles down (helping humidity), mountain of great stuff (narly trunk/whatever) is designed with helpful passages to focus water to a small pool at base (seated into the false bottom (accessible from the bottom for cleaning)) and after water is filtered, it's pumped back up to the top to repeat the cycle. (<---I don't know if that's the route you'd like to go, but I'm throwing that out there as a little viv-bling).


I have a great idea: I'm going to create a mountain out of great stuff in the center. The mountain will have the basic shape of a volcano. Then i'm going to put bamboo all around the viv.
Awesome. You really have so many creative opportunities with this piece. You are so lucky. *little pout*

I'm also going to add a door opposite of the existing door.....Also, a fresh look of the vivalier every few days is just awesome, imho.
I totally agree.

...drilling a piece of the glass...
Hmmmm....me thinks you can not drill through glass. I could be wrong, but I've never seen a tool that can do this....unless it's something really high-tech. You must have connections.... :D

Regarding ventilation, I think I have it figured out. Tell me what you think......The top tapered portion will house the lights and ventilation....
You're right on the money there. I would do the same thing.

.....I'll add some pc fans in this section both taking the heat out of the top portion and also a few fans regulating air flow and humidity in the main viv.....Whatcha think?
Hmmmmm....here's what I can tell you about pc fans. Case fans are wired with a ground, but the smaller (processor sized fans) aren't. You can power them easily with a 9 volt battery. So, my question would be, do you want to eat through the cost of 9 volt batteries to circulate and manage your humidity?

I have some experience with this. For Halloween I made three sets of Halo armor and cooling a human head inside a masterchief helmet was essential. PC fans were the only practical solution.

You have a virtually limitless supply of power coming to the enclosure from the top, but how would you convert the power from the fans to a plug? I see where you're going with it - completely - but my knowledge of electrical systems is intermediate at best. (I do have a talent for soldering though. :coverlaugh:) Ultimately, I think you're on the right track....the traincar just might need a bit of tweaking if you get my metaphor.


.......there's a few concerns I'd have with it. 1) structural integrity. I get the feeling that the glass helps to mantain the basic shape of this thing.
Get a thicker grade of acrylic. Really, it's stronger than glass. Our aquariums (here in Florida) use acrylic sheets as thick as baseballs. Comparatively, acrylic beats glass hands down. If you're worried about losing the super shine of glass to the acrylic, don't. As long as you clean it with non-abrasive agents, you'll be fine. Don't use paper products (paper towels, etc.) and it'll surprise you.

....honestly it's not that heavy. I can pick it up by the top with 2 hands and if i was above it i could lift it with one hand........
You can do all this with your superman powers, but maybe not after it's loaded with all your goodies and frogs. I can't even begin to say how many times I've accidentally sabotaged myself with this same ruse. :lol:

....regarding lighting,... 2 spiral compact florescents with the proper range for growing plants. They're cheap, small and very bright....I will cover the inside of the top portion with mylar...
Hey! That's a great idea! What a neat way to tame your lighting. Well done!

I apologize for the collossal responses. It's just such a neat project. You artistry was just fine. It's not a matter of making frameable art - but rather communicating a concept, right? Here's a quick concept sketch of mine. I went with mushrooms.


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loogielv

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But to get power and gadgetry into the base, consider this: Instead of a volcano, let's say you have a mountain, or Lord of the Rings-esque tree trunk. You could run all your cables/chords/whatever through a hidden PVC pipe going down the center.
this was my original idea. great stuff volcano, pvc in the middle all the tubing going through the middle etc. However, there's no way to drain the water realistically.
with you on my side, maybe we can tackle this. I'll come back to this down below
When I took a closer look at your pictures, I noticed your chandelier can be divided into four parts. The top section and the bottom are beveled as they terminate at the top (for the top) and the bottom (at the bottom). The two sections in the center are your projected living space (the golden real estate), right?
right. that's the main viv part. the 2 sections going from bottom to top the whole height. if possible.

If you replaced the bottom glass panes with a thicker mil of acrylic, you wouldn't lose the structural integrity that you mentioned, but you could also create several hinged access doors and house your stuff under there.

ok, just off the top of my head, this is why I dont think this would work:
for one since the bottom is tapered, or beveled in, there's no way to open one of the pieces of glass w/o water spilling everywhere. If I put the door up higher, the soil would fall out. There's only 2 general ideas I have to getting the water out or gaining access to the bottom: 1) add a drain on the bottom of the viv and attach a hose when I need to drain it. That would be pretty ugly, but functional for water changes. However it adds nothing to help w/ removal of the pump. also the doors would have to be water tight, and i dont see how i could make a door that opens water tight. or 2) suck out dirty water when i need to clean it or whatever through the pvc volcano. (this brings up a whole new set of problems. Such as: the pvc needs to be big enough for the pump to fit down through it easily. It also has to be accessible for me from the top. Which the way the viv is, there's no way i could pull the pump out through the top of the pvc into the light compartment. plus wires would have to be coming from the light compartment, into the main viv and then down through the pvc, which means the volcano needs to now stretch all the way to the top or cables would be viewable inside the viv, and also would have to be sealed to keep critters out, so when i take the pump out, all the sealing i've done is now compromised and it has to be done again.


My hot tub is seated into a deck...so you could literally seat a small pool into the false bottom.
ok, so lets say I have 2 compartments in the FalseBottom. I'll picture it like this: a bowl inside a bowl. The main bowl is the actual bottom of the viv. Inside there is a bowl filled with water as the reservoir for the FB?

this is almost doable, and VERY intriguing. I think this is where our answer lies, but it brings up other issues that are going to be TOUGH to explain. But i'll try.

The bowl of water cannot extend all the way up to the bottom of the soil, otherwise id' never be able to get the pump and in essence, i'd have the same problem I have with just the bottom of the viv. I need some space so I can pull either the pump out of the bowl. Having space means 2 things: Water could seep down the sides of the main viv into the false bottom, and miss the water bowl and leak out of the viv onto the floor. The water bowl would have to nearly water tight to the sides of the viv and 2) the bowl would have to be about 3 inches tall so i could fit the pump out. that means the pump has to run on about 3 inches of water. Mayyyybe 4 inches. 4 inches is pretty doable i think, but 3 is pushing it...
OR
The bowl has to be removable. I could extend the bowl up almost to the soil, have plenty of water in there to run the pump, then when it came time to access the goodies, i open the flaps of acrylic on the viv, and pull the second bowl out, being careful to remove the pump from the bowl as soon as I have the clearance from the soil. I'm over analyzing now, but that's how i roll :)

So i am seeing in my head is a bowl that is basically the same size and shape as the bottom portion of my viv and sits inside that section. however now i have to create enough doors to allow the bowl to fit in and out. that means the bottom pane of glass needs to be not be siliconed on those doors and now the water bowl is sitting on a pane of glass that's only siliconed on half of the sides...

I just dont see how this is doable. It's alot of trouble just for a water feature :(
 

Sk3d

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Hi, I didn't have time to read youre whole post, but I think I can help with your silicone problem. Get a high grade sandpaper and try sanding it down, I'm not sure how well this will work, but I have used it on harden caulk before and it turned out nice. you can then used the razor to cut off the excess.
 

loogielv

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Hi, I didn't have time to read youre whole post, but I think I can help with your silicone problem. Get a high grade sandpaper and try sanding it down, I'm not sure how well this will work, but I have used it on harden caulk before and it turned out nice. you can then used the razor to cut off the excess.

do you mean to sand it down so it's not as thick? or just to get it all the way off? i'd be concerned w/ scratching the glass and what not

I have taken on some other projects and this chandelier is probably 3rd in line, so after i get the other ones done, it's all go!
 

Sk3d

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no, I meant to sand it down to having just a little hump, and cutting off the excess on the sides.
 

loogielv

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thanks tdizzle! your reply is so helpful and doesn't make me want to rip out my spleen and shove it into my eye sockets! yay!
 
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